Re: Printing with No Color Management (again)
Re: Printing with No Color Management (again)
- Subject: Re: Printing with No Color Management (again)
- From: MARK SEGAL <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 15:51:56 -0700 (PDT)
<On Apr 14, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> The Mac OS X printing problem is something out of the twilight zone at this
>>point. We do not have these problems on Windows (but there are other problems
>>with Windows.) Epson, Canon, HP, Adobe have all had problems with Apple's
>>printing architecture. And I also want to point out this is not a CUPS problem.
>>While there is a technical solution possible, the actual problem as I see it is
>>an ideological choice by Apple for color management to behave a certain way on
>>Mac OS X, and then not adequately document how to reliably disable it. The
>>system is fragile and prone to these printing problems - and I predict they
>>will continue to happen, without warning, just as they have since this opt-out
>>method of color management was implemented. ...<< >
Chris, I'd appreciate if you could unpack some of this for us.
1. The Mac OSX printing problem: is this the one whereby disabling colour
management isn't possible without the Chan or Adobe workaround? Or is there
something else too?
2. "There are other problems with Windows": what are they in the context of
making prints or processing photos in general?
3. What do you mean by a "CUPS" problem - not familiar with the term.
4. What is the nature of the "ideological choice"? Why should a system
developer let "ideology" get in the way or usability? I'm curious about this
one.
5. You say they want "color management to behave in a certain way". What is
that way, and how does it differ from the way you would normally want colour
management to behave? Again curious about this.
6. "System is fragile and prone to these printing problems". Fragile in what
ways - i.e. what does it take to knock it - and by "these printing problems",
what problems exactly are you referring to - the "no colour management issue",
or are there others? I'd like to know so I can avoid getting myself into
trouble.
7. You predict "they" will continue to happen - why? Is it the opt-out method
of colour management, if so what about it that causes other trouble of what
kind?There's something ironic about the fact that Apple/Mac was once considered
the "only" system for proper colour management, and now it appears people may
be looking at Windows as a less troublesome option for managing a print
workflow.
Mark
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