Re: Colorsync-users Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1
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Maybe a newbee though... did you compare the 3D color gamut of each display and
he output printer profile?
hese colors are really reachable?
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HI Group,I'd like to see if anyone can help me get any further with monitor
ccuracy without spending a fortune on hardware...
I profile monitors for architects who display renderings that are usually
olored in Creative Suite (Photoshop & Illustrator). The files are converted or
reated in Adobe RGB. If the files are created in non-Creative Suite apps
Autodesk apps) then they assign sRGB and convert to Adobe RGB. Most are PC's
ith Dell monitors.
The office printer has a Fiery Rip and I have it profiled so the color
ccuracy is mainly under a Delta E of 3 for most colors. Files are printed from
reative Suite with "Let Printer Determine Color" to the Fiery which prints
hrough the custom made and fine tuned/edited profile.
Monitors are profiled with a Spyder Pro 3 (Gamma 2.4, White Point Native) and
he brightness and contrast of the monitor hardware are fine tuned by putting a
olor managed print next to the monitor displaying that file before and after
he monitor is profiled. (This accounts for office lighting and human eye) The
rinter profile or some other profile that makes the display look good is set up
n Adobe's Proof Setup menu (Relative Colorimetric rendering no boxes checked)
o get the displayed file to keep the saturation of colors close to what the
rinter makes.
The problem...Number One, file colors display slightly different as PDF's
ersus native files in Creative Suite.Number Two, certain file colors such as
eds and browns display less warmer (more neutral) than they print.
In case number two, I have printed those files on expensive color managed
lotters to verify the output of the Fiery/office printer and they looked alike.
o I am sure that the printer output is correct and the monitor is to blame.
Both cases, yes the office lighting is not perfect. Grays print slightly pink
nd I put a plus green correction in to compensate for that. The main colors
CMYRGB near the edge of the gamut) still fall into the Delta E of 3 or less. I
o take the prints outside to see what they look like under daylight and the
ffice lighting is not radically different. The reds and browns in the prints
re significantly warmer than what we see on the monitor.
The only adjustment I think I can make at this point is to edit the profile
oaded into the Proof Setup menu to coerce the monitor to warm up the displayed
eds and browns to match the color managed prints.
My eye is very experienced and my clients are seeing the same thing.
Any ideas my color cohorts?
Randy ZauchaManaged Color
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:15:58 -0800
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Subject: Re: Monitor Accuracy Options
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Hi,
If I am reading your post correctly, the PDF and AICS2 files display
ifferently but print the same?
My first thought is what settings are you using to create the pdf files?
Gary Scott
On Dec 30, 2010, at 9:06 PM, "Randy Zaucha" <email@hidden> wrote:
> HI Group,I'd like to see if anyone can help me get any further with monitor
ccuracy without spending a fortune on hardware...
> I profile monitors for architects who display renderings that are usually
olored in Creative Suite (Photoshop & Illustrator). The files are converted or
reated in Adobe RGB. If the files are created in non-Creative Suite apps
Autodesk apps) then they assign sRGB and convert to Adobe RGB. Most are PC's
ith Dell monitors.
> The office printer has a Fiery Rip and I have it profiled so the color
ccuracy is mainly under a Delta E of 3 for most colors. Files are printed from
reative Suite with "Let Printer Determine Color" to the Fiery which prints
hrough the custom made and fine tuned/edited profile.
> Monitors are profiled with a Spyder Pro 3 (Gamma 2.4, White Point Native) and
he brightness and contrast of the monitor hardware are fine tuned by putting a
olor managed print next to the monitor displaying that file before and after
he monitor is profiled. (This accounts for office lighting and human eye) The
rinter profile or some other profile that makes the display look good is set up
n Adobe's Proof Setup menu (Relative Colorimetric rendering no boxes checked)
o get the displayed file to keep the saturation of colors close to what the
rinter makes.
> The problem...Number One, file colors display slightly different as PDF's
ersus native files in Creative Suite.Number Two, certain file colors such as
eds and browns display less warmer (more neutral) than they print.
> In case number two, I have printed those files on expensive color managed
lotters to verify the output of the Fiery/office printer and they looked alike.
o I am sure that the printer output is correct and the monitor is to blame.
> Both cases, yes the office lighting is not perfect. Grays print slightly pink
nd I put a plus green correction in to compensate for that. The main colors
CMYRGB near the edge of the gamut) still fall into the Delta E of 3 or less. I
o take the prints outside to see what they look like under daylight and the
ffice lighting is not radically different. The reds and browns in the prints
re significantly warmer than what we see on the monitor.
> The only adjustment I think I can make at this point is to edit the profile
oaded into the Proof Setup menu to coerce the monitor to warm up the displayed
eds and browns to match the color managed prints.
> My eye is very experienced and my clients are seeing the same thing.
> Any ideas my color cohorts?
> Randy ZauchaManaged Color
>
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The PDF's are Adobe RGB based also. All files are based on Adobe RGB.
he displayed reds and browns look significantly warmer than the prints.
he printed reds and browns measure within Delta 3 of their digital values.
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HI Group,I'd like to see if anyone can help me get any further with monitor
ccuracy without spending a fortune on hardware...
profile monitors for architects who display renderings that are usually
olored in Creative Suite (Photoshop & Illustrator). The files are converted or
reated in Adobe RGB. If the files are created in non-Creative Suite apps
Autodesk apps) then they assign sRGB and convert to Adobe RGB. Most are PC's
ith Dell monitors.
he office printer has a Fiery Rip and I have it profiled so the color accuracy
s mainly under a Delta E of 3 for most colors. Files are printed from Creative
uite with "Let Printer Determine Color" to the Fiery which prints through the
ustom made and fine tuned/edited profile.
onitors are profiled with a Spyder Pro 3 (Gamma 2.4, White Point Native) and
he brightness and contrast of the monitor hardware are fine tuned by putting a
olor managed print next to the monitor displaying that file before and after
he monitor is profiled. (This accounts for office lighting and human eye) The
rinter profile or some other profile that makes the display look good is set up
n Adobe's Proof Setup menu (Relative Colorimetric rendering no boxes checked)
o get the displayed file to keep the saturation of colors close to what the
rinter makes.
he problem...Number One, file colors display slightly different as PDF's versus
ative files in Creative Suite.Number Two, certain file colors such as reds and
rowns display less warmer (more neutral) than they print.
n case number two, I have printed those files on expensive color managed
lotters to verify the output of the Fiery/office printer and they looked alike.
o I am sure that the printer output is correct and the monitor is to blame.
oth cases, yes the office lighting is not perfect. Grays print slightly pink
nd I put a plus green correction in to compensate for that. The main colors
CMYRGB near the edge of the gamut) still fall into the Delta E of 3 or less. I
o take the prints outside to see what they look like under daylight and the
ffice lighting is not radically different. The reds and browns in the prints
re significantly warmer than what we see on the monitor.
he only adjustment I think I can make at this point is to edit the profile
oaded into the Proof Setup menu to coerce the monitor to warm up the displayed
eds and browns to match the color managed prints.
y eye is very experienced and my clients are seeing the same thing.
ny ideas my color cohorts?
andy ZauchaManaged Color
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Hi,
If I am reading your post correctly, the PDF and AICS2 files display differently
ut print the same?
My first thought is what settings are you using to create the pdf files?
Gary Scott
On Dec 30, 2010, at 9:06 PM, "Randy Zaucha" <email@hidden> wrote:
> HI Group,I'd like to see if anyone can help me get any further with monitor
ccuracy without spending a fortune on hardware...
I profile monitors for architects who display renderings that are usually
olored in Creative Suite (Photoshop & Illustrator). The files are converted or
reated in Adobe RGB. If the files are created in non-Creative Suite apps
Autodesk apps) then they assign sRGB and convert to Adobe RGB. Most are PC's
ith Dell monitors.
The office printer has a Fiery Rip and I have it profiled so the color
ccuracy is mainly under a Delta E of 3 for most colors. Files are printed from
reative Suite with "Let Printer Determine Color" to the Fiery which prints
hrough the custom made and fine tuned/edited profile.
Monitors are profiled with a Spyder Pro 3 (Gamma 2.4, White Point Native) and
he brightness and contrast of the monitor hardware are fine tuned by putting a
olor managed print next to the monitor displaying that file before and after
he monitor is profiled. (This accounts for office lighting and human eye) The
rinter profile or some other profile that makes the display look good is set up
n Adobe's Proof Setup menu (Relative Colorimetric rendering no boxes checked)
o get the displayed file to keep the saturation of colors close to what the
rinter makes.
The problem...Number One, file colors display slightly different as PDF's
ersus native files in Creative Suite.Number Two, certain file colors such as
eds and browns display less warmer (more neutral) than they print.
In case number two, I have printed those files on expensive color managed
lotters to verify the output of the Fiery/office printer and they looked alike.
o I am sure that the printer output is correct and the monitor is to blame.
Both cases, yes the office lighting is not perfect. Grays print slightly pink
nd I put a plus green correction in to compensate for that. The main colors
CMYRGB near the edge of the gamut) still fall into the Delta E of 3 or less. I
o take the prints outside to see what they look like under daylight and the
ffice lighting is not radically different. The reds and browns in the prints
re significantly warmer than what we see on the monitor.
The only adjustment I think I can make at this point is to edit the profile
oaded into the Proof Setup menu to coerce the monitor to warm up the displayed
eds and browns to match the color managed prints.
My eye is very experienced and my clients are seeing the same thing.
Any ideas my color cohorts?
Randy ZauchaManaged Color
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