Re: Cyan overlay when printing with Epson 3800
Re: Cyan overlay when printing with Epson 3800
- Subject: Re: Cyan overlay when printing with Epson 3800
- From: Martin Orpen <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2012 14:40:41 +0100
On 14 Jul 2012, at 00:40, Steve Upton wrote:
> On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:42 AM, Martin Orpen wrote:
>
>> But that answer can only come from X-Rite, because X-Rite's are the only profiles that do this.
>>
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> I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Having been spelunking in ICC profile guts for years I can tell you that they are specifically laid out to allow for multiple "interpretations", encodings, precisions, etc.
Let me explain something before this thread goes the way of a lot of threads in this forum…
In the world of professional image making there's a strict hierarchy when it comes to advice:
Print Makers
Equipment & Software Manufacturers
Colour Management Consultants
PC World Tech Support
Your grandparents
Your infant children
Andrew Rodney
As I see it, we have somebody at the top of this hierarchy posting a problem here and somebody who is also at the top of the hierarchy identifying both the cause and the solution, instantly and for free and within a few minutes of them posting.
That's how forums are supposed to work isn't it?
Now people further down the hierarchy might not like the answer that was given. They may even doubt that it is correct. But as they have *no* experience of the problem or the pressure that professional print makers are under to meet deadlines and expectations etc, they should -- as you have -- ask some more questions of those with direct experience of the problem before telling us that we're wrong and don't know how to do our jobs.
> I'm just saying that it is entirely possible that GretagMacbeth (to be historically accurate) could make a perfectly compliant profile that could trigger a bug in a CMM, or a print driver, or how a print drive calls a CMM, etc. The fact that it occurs outside the image area is certainly an indication that it's a software bug rather than a profile bug. An ICC profile should in *no* way be able to affect the page area outside the image area. The driver's doing something odd there.
Like you, I find the behaviour triggered by Profilemaker profiles very intriguing. Intriguing enough to speak to X-Rite in the UK and also submit information to X-Rite in the US too.
I never heard back from the US. I posted the response from the UK -- buy i1 Profiler, open and re-save the profiles.
I'd have gladly supplied more information about this issue with X-Rite because I was hoping that a drag-and-drop solution that made a slight alteration to the existing profile's code *might* be all that was needed to fix this weird problem. This would be preferable to buying new products or remaking the profiles in alternative software. But X-Rite weren't interested.
Am I annoyed that X-Rite didn't do more? Not really. It's an odd thing to happen. It only happens in environments that came into being way after Profilemaker was created.
The only annoying thing about this issue is that print makers can't use this forum to share solutions without getting shouted down or having the information that they've provided completely misrepresented by the bottom feeders in the professional imaging hierarchy.
Regards
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Martin Orpen
Idea Digital Imaging Ltd
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