Re: Substrate Relativity Calculator
Re: Substrate Relativity Calculator
- Subject: Re: Substrate Relativity Calculator
- From: Claas Bickeböller <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:40:55 +0200
Dear Mike,
the underlying calculation method was originally developed and tested to predict the colour-deviation of a solid ink when the measurement backing is changed. BTW: For this purpose (solid inks and change of backing) it works very well.
Knowing this it is quite easy to understand what you will get from the calculation.
If you have a colorimetric description of a print on paper 1, you feed this along with a whitepoint of paper 2 (or the same paper on a different backing, see above) to the calculation method
the model will predict the outcome of a print with constant density (remember, originally it predicts backing differences for the same print) on the new paper.
So if you used this new dataset for imageseparation and proofing and if the printer printed with the same densities that he would have used for paper 1
you will have a match……… if the method worked.
Things to consider:
1) The underlying model makes the assumption that the influence of the paperwhite on the resulting colour is linear from paperwhite to the blackpoint.
This assumption is simply wrong. So the predicted colours for everything but the solids is at least inaccurate if not completely off (depending on the inks, the screening…)
2) Is it a good practice to keep the densities that were found to fit perfect for one paper for another paper?
3) With increasing deviation between reference data-set and real-world paperwhite the prediction get's worse.
Regarding your question "acc. GraCol":
If you ask, if it was according to ISO 12647-7 (this is the international standard for digital proofing), the answer is yes, if the proof is in tolerance
when you compare reference printing condition (in this case the result of your calculation) and simulated colour on the proof.
But what do you win, if you simulate something in tolerance that does not reflect reality…..?
Best regards
Claas
Am 17.10.2012 um 19:39 schrieb Mike Stewart:
> With papers changing the way they are; most do not fall within the
> tolerances specified in 12647-2. I like this idea of the Substrate
> Calculator. My question is this. Let's say we proof to GRACoL tolerances
> on a paper that is within the specification. We now get a #1 or #2 paper
> that is out of spec. I use the calculator, create a new CGATS file and
> create a new ICC Profile. I use CGS ORIS Color Tuner and hone in my
> proofing device (Indigo press) to within tolerance and proof my
> files/images on the "new" paper. What have I achieved. I have created a
> proof that the printer may have an easier time "matching"; but can I say
> that this proof adheres to GRACoL specifications? If you were to read the
> 12647 color bar it would pass only if I have the proper dataset loaded to
> compare to using software such as ORIS Certified Proof. Someone else
> checking my proof to GRACoL would say it "fails" because they would be
> comparing to the "original GRACoL". What exactly have I accomplished and
> how can it be classified as a specification.
>
> Mike Stewart
>
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