RE: ISO-3664:2009 illumination
RE: ISO-3664:2009 illumination
- Subject: RE: ISO-3664:2009 illumination
- From: Roger Breton via colorsync-users <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 18:13:18 -0400
Hi Refik,
Client-X is the "Blue" curve?
I have access to two "lab grade" devices, Minolta FD-7 which, in spectral
irradiance mode, captures 5nm data (see Excel sheet), and a Gamma Scientific
GS-1150 which captures 1nm data down to 360nm.
Sadly, I cannot capture below 360nm range ☹
I have an old OceanOptics USB4000 spectrometer, here, which can go down to
300nm BUT I don't have a UV calibrated lamp to reliably measure down to 300nm...
I read that stilbene, one of the more popular whitening agent, is mostly
sensitive in the 360 to 400 nm range?
I agree that soon, due to change in LED lighting, the whole OB issue is going
to "transform" into either obsolescence or some new kind of "monster"? How is
the paper industry, who invested so much over the years to take advantage of
optical brighteners in paper manufacturing, going to "influence" the
development of new standards of lighting?
Best / Roger
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From: Refik Telhan <email@hidden>
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Subject: Re: ISO-3664:2009 illumination
Dear Roger,
I should have said spectral power distribution "curve" not "data". I have
superimposed the Client X curve to this curve.
Below is the the image:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jzwoj9hpw4ka9m8/CIE-and-new-and-old-graphiclite-ISO-3664+ClientX.jpg?dl=0
This image displays one major problem with regard to ISO 3664:2009. You need to
have lab-grade measuring devices for checking the light sources. The standard
requires 5 nm resolution for the measurement data. Typical devices can only do
10 nm. MI(UV) requires that the measurement range should start from 300 nm. And
the typical devices start from 360/380 nm. Hence, widely available solutions
can only give approximate results with regard to compliancy to ISO 3664-2009.
This whole OBA-induced complexity is proving to be too much for the printing
industry. Artificial lighting is fast losing its UV component and soon
OBA-related issues will become much less important if not irrelevant.
Best,
Refik
On 16.06.2019 15:20, "email@hidden" <email@hidden> wrote:
Thank you, Refik!
I knew this information was "somewhere"...
So the new code is the letter "E" -- sounds like Sesame Street, "Today,
we'll learn the letter "E", as in "Elephant", ha! ha! ha! Sorry, I could not
resist 😉
I could not find the spectral power distribution data, you said was on the
page?
Thanks / Roger
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Subject: Re: ISO-3664:2009 illumination
Hi Roger,
The lamp code indicates that it is an old one. Below is the link to the GTI
web page explaining the differences between the old and the new lamps:
https://www.gtilite.com/2011/01/whats-new-in-the-iso-3664-standard/
Below image from that page shows the new lamp codes should end with an E,
instead of an X.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/6euebxuxph0uelc/GTI_Lamp_Codes.jpg?dl=0
The same page also contains the spectral power distributions of the old and
the new lamps.
New generation Just Normlicht lamps are clearly marked.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/77eyu0wbcd9i6ux/JUST-daylight-5000-proGraphic-ISO.jpg?dl=0
Best,
Refik Telhan
Light and Color Management Consultancy
On 15.06.2019 22:27, "colorsync-users on behalf of Roger Breton via
colorsync-users" <colorsync-users-bounces+rtelhan=email@hidden on
behalf of email@hidden> wrote:
I suspect this "old" GTI lamp was manufactured a long time ago.
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AkD78CVR1NBqkLRy3q1Y_l3gK8VkWg
I gather there is a code that identifies lamps that meet the new
specification.
Does anyone know what code I should be looking for?
One thing, though.
I found this lamp installed in an old GretagMacbeth overhead
luminaires, at
a client, yesterday.
See the data here, in Excel (measured with Minolta FD-7) :
https://1drv.ms/x/s!AkD78CVR1NBqkLRz_XP0GZyvIEZh7w
The thing is, according to ISO-3664:2009, the light produced by these
lamps
"shall" (or "should") have energy in the UV part of the spectrum. I'm
not
sure they specify down to 360nm but that's typically where the optical
brighteners components in the paper are excited from, according to my
humble
information. If the lamp does not produce any energy in that part of the
spectrum, hence, the appearance of the proof "will be compromised". (I
hope
TC130 is starting to work on the new type of LED illumination which will
gradually replace Mercury-based fluorescent tubes, because it's going to
happen sooner than later.).
Just curious, for those who have long measured the "new" 2009 lamps,
would
you have some kind of data to share? So that I can compare? GTI lights,
preferably.
Thank you / Roger Breton
www.graxx.
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