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Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?)
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Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?)


  • Subject: Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?)
  • From: Andrew Rodney via colorsync-users <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2020 10:26:26 -0700

On Jan 9, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Henry Davis via colorsync-users
<email@hidden> wrote:
> It keeps being suggested that without an observer there is no such thing as
> color - for there to be color it must be perceived.  That old tree falling in
> the forest . . .

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, there ARE sound waves. But
sound has to also be perceived like color.

There are all kinds of similar waves we can't perceive. They exist of course.
And we can't perceive them.

Graeme has provided text that again syncs up with the other's quoted here about
color and humans:

"By definition humans have no color gamut limitations - anything we can't
perceive, is not a color!"

I can now add his name towards these facts along with Fairchild, Giorgianni and
Madden, GATF, Sharma.

Anything we can't perceive, is not a color!

> Without an observer there are no things at all.

No, there are such things (like the sound waves in the Forrest from the tree
hitting the ground) but they are not observed in the example where no one is
around.

> I believe that things exist without observers.

Right. But you above stated first: Without an observer there are no things at
all. Which is it?

> Maybe that’s partly the reason why I have trouble with a sensor not having a
> color gamut.

No reason to doubt what so many actual experts in the field have told us. No
reason to doubt climate change or believe it's a hoax from China. There's
plenty of science to observe if you're a science observer. I recognize not
everyone is.

> A camera sensor isn’t designed to amplify sound waves.  It sounds absurdly
> obvious to say that a camera sensor is sensitive to, um, color.

It's sensitive to something.

> Does the eye distinguish color prior to the brain’s post processing?  Yes,
> the eye has already begun the work of distinguishing color before the brain
> gets involved.

Color is the excitation of photoreceptors followed by retinal processing and
ending in the our visual cortex, within our brains. The eye is part of this
process but only part.


Andrew Rodney
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References: 
 >RE: perceptual differences in Lab deltaE (From: Roger Breton via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: perceptual differences in Lab deltaE (From: Wire ~ via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: perceptual differences in Lab deltaE (From: Andrew Rodney via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: WAYNE BRETL via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: Andrew Rodney via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: Henry Davis via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: Iliah Borg via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: Henry Davis via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: Iliah Borg via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: edmund ronald via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >RE: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: Roger Breton via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >RE: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: WAYNE BRETL via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: Graeme Gill via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: WAYNE BRETL via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Humans (and cameras and scanners) do not have a color gamut (?) (From: Henry Davis via colorsync-users <email@hidden>)

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