Re: Workflow for ‘remote’ profiling a non-colormanaged printer as a ‘back-box’
Re: Workflow for ‘remote’ profiling a non-colormanaged printer as a ‘back-box’
- Subject: Re: Workflow for ‘remote’ profiling a non-colormanaged printer as a ‘back-box’
- From: Jon Meyer via colorsync-users <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 05:06:14 -0400
What is the first rule of characterization?
A: The print condition must be consistent. Media coating. Humidity. Print
driver settings.
Can that be guaranteed? Even if it can, print condition optimization for end
point aims and dot gain are missing.
Don’t settle for hamburger when you need a tenderloin steak.
- Jon
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> On Jul 15, 2021, at 2:16 AM, Scott Martin via colorsync-users
> <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> What type of printer are we talking about here?
>
> Are you completely sure it’s not color managed? Is there a RIP involved? Are
> you sure this is an RGB profiled process?
>
> The fact that your AdobeRGB files look over saturaturated could suggest that
> it is color managed and is assuming sRGB for these files.
>
> Either way, I’d send the profiling targets untagged and simply convert images
> to you custom profile and again send as untagged.
>
> Scott Martin
> www.on-sight.com
> Imaging Science for Art
>
>
>> On Jul 14, 2021, at 8:45 PM, Miles, Peter via colorsync-users
>> <email@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> Hi color sync users.
>>
>> This is a question about my workflow for ‘remote’ profiling a
>> non-colormanaged printer as a ‘back-box’.
>> And if you can see any obvious mistakes in my workflow / thinking.
>>
>> One of our staff is using an external non-colormanaged print provider. And
>> I'm wanting to help him prepare work for it. Test prints to this printer are
>> in AdobeRGB1998 and prints come out over saturated.
>>
>> So I am attempting to profile the print process ‘remotely’ using i1
>> profiler. And to do the color conversion ourselves.
>> I am familiar with profiling inkjet and laser printers where I work using
>> i1Profiler, FieryXF and ColorBurstRIP.
>> I thought it would be a fairly straight forward process, but I’m getting
>> some unexpected results.
>>
>> I am not in a position to control this external printer in any way.
>> I have already had TC918 RGB patches printed on this printer (patches
>> assigned AdobeRGB1998) and I created a printer RGB ICC profile of this
>> process.
>> When I assign this printer profile to the original AdobeRGB1998 test image
>> we printed I get a very good approximation of the over saturated test print
>> we got. So far so good.
>>
>> So I Imagined I just needed to use Convert-to-Profile on our AdobeRGB1998
>> test image, to convert it into the printer color space that I built. Then to
>> ensure it gets handled by the external printer in exactly the same way as
>> before, I just assign it AdobeRGB1998 again.
>>
>> When I do that, the test image now appears less saturated than it was before.
>> Great, that’s just what I would expect. With the boost of saturation of this
>> print process it should return back to normal when printed.
>>
>> But what I did not expect was that the blackest pixels in the converted test
>> image that started out as RGB 4,4,9 are now RGB 30,29,28 after conversion.
>> That sounds crazy to me!
>> I have not printed this converted test image yet. I don’t want to waste my
>> money printing this converted file if I have got this wrong. But everything
>> else looks like what I would expect.
>>
>> Anyone else familiar with profiling printers as a 'Black-box'?, is this kind
>> of thing with the high black point normal?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Peter Miles
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