Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 15
Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 15
- Subject: Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 15
- From: Gerry Yaeger via colorsync-users <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 14:19:35 -0500
Hey Andrew,
I remember back in the late 70’s or early 80” we were all having dinner after a
trade show day (maybe PMA) and someone remarked “Someday soon we will all be
out of work because Color Management will be done automatically by the OS.”
Gerry Yaeger
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www.TheDigitalCoach.com
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> 1. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Walker Blackwell)
> 2. Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 14 (Don Hutcheson)
> 3. Still alive (Marc Sitkin)
> 4. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Andrew Rodney)
> 5. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Paul Schilliger)
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> 6. Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Scott Martin)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 08:20:30 -0400
> From: Walker Blackwell <email@hidden>
> To: Jon Meyer <email@hidden>
> Cc: Refik Telhan <email@hidden>, edmund ronald
> <email@hidden>, ColorSync <email@hidden>
> Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased?
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> Maybe it?s because the AppleCMM/ColorSync needs to fix how it handles (or
> rather breaks) Black Point Compensation with xrite v4 iccs . . .
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> Pun aside, I think people are migrating away from ink-on-paper and into
> screens. This is an old-school forum right here so the momentum has gone
> elsewhere . .
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> -Walker
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> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:17:43 -0400
> From: Don Hutcheson <email@hidden>
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Re: colorsync-users Digest, Vol 18, Issue 14
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> It?s a credit to the original ICC vision, the passionate software writers and
> the crazy-brave pioneering users, that color management has been integrated
> under the hood of virtually all color workflows.
> It?s hard to find a desktop printer or monitor that doesn?t produce pleasing
> color from Photoshop, regardless of the image source.
> At the commercial level, standardized color spaces like FRACoL and gogra plus
> G7 calibration have largely eliminated the old problems we pre-press/
> pressroom wallahs used to tackle.
> But most of the improvement can be attributed to digital cameras and the
> astonishingly good image quality produced by today?s cell phone cameras.
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> Having said all that, there?s still a need for technical curiosity and ever
> more demanding problem identifiers like Refik. If we let go of the reins,
> economic corner-cutting will reduce everything to some low common
> denominator. Hopefully passionate photographers (which is what printing?s all
> about) will never stand for that.
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> Don Hutcheson
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> (Typos courtesy of iPhone's teeny-tiny keyboard and not-so tiny thumbs)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 10:21:13 -0400
> From: Marc Sitkin <email@hidden>
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Still alive
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> Hello to all of you. I retired six years ago from a long career in
> photography and graphic arts. I followed this list for many years after
> learning of it at a color management conference in Phoenix in the 2000's.
> Lots of great discussion and opportunities to learn over the years.
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> I still do a lot of photography, and a little bit of printing at home.
> I still run across a bit of color management over on the pixls.us
> <https://discuss.pixls.us/> forum. I can see a whole new generation
> interested in the world of color management, but most don't know of this
> mail list.
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> Hope everyone is well, and thanks for the many interesting years.
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> --
> Marc Sitkin
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> Marc Sitkin Photography Web Site <http://marcsitkin.smugmug.com>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 07:25:37 -0700
> From: Andrew Rodney <email@hidden>
> To: Jon Meyer <email@hidden>
> Cc: Refik Telhan <email@hidden>, edmund ronald
> <email@hidden>, Colorsync List
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> Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased?
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> On Nov 3, 2021, at 4:59 AM, Jon Meyer via colorsync-users
> <email@hidden> wrote:
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>> ?How many remember the halcyon days of big color guy parties, such as the
>> Gretag NDA intro of the i1 in Orlando?
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> Or have those old, ugly ( Coloratti orangish) Jackets?
> I have mine, it still hasn?t been worn since provided for obvious color
> reasons <g>.
>
> Andrew
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 15:38:35 +0100
> From: Paul Schilliger <email@hidden>
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased? (Paul Schilliger)
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> Hi All,
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> Still online but much less active.
> The questions raised by some of the modest endeavours of the past, which you
> helped me sorting, have evolved to mostly preserving the assets, since
> retired now and no longer paid. Time perhaps for some long delayed personal
> projects such as digitalizing an enormous stock of slides (maybe if God lends
> me time). The gear has been long prepared but forces have to be found. Also
> working on some retrospectives and more personal stories.
>
> Progress has been welcome for years, but since it overtook on my capabilities
> to use the tools some years ago already, I am now mostly concerned by how I
> can keep my daily routines alive. I purchased what I hoped was my last new
> Mac until a long time in 2018, to be able to run safe Mojave and use the CS6
> apps like Dreamweaver and In Design, without entering the fast and furious
> race of today. I subscribed to LR and PS though, which for a modest fee allow
> me to process RAW files from some of the late cameras and have also an
> improved stitching tool that I much appreciate and use. But a dreaded update
> message came the other day: New LR and PS versions are incompatible with
> Mojave and require at least 10.15. I may not benefit from some of the newer
> features, but what I have is in fact far enough for what I do, at least for
> the time being, until I may be teased or forced into something new.
>
> So since the list has been also open to question which do not closely relate
> to colour consistency, maybe I'll pump into the knowledge base and ask a few
> questions in the future. Forums like Adobe and Apple on gear and software,
> are now reluctant to treat questions raised by non up to date users. I always
> think of the print-shop I was working with some years ago, which were running
> computers and software outdated by at least four years. So maybe I'll find
> some fellow runners here ? ?
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> In any case, it's been a pleasure.
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> Cheers and kind regards.
> Paul Schilliger
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 09:51:14 -0500
> From: Scott Martin <email@hidden>
> To: email@hidden
> Subject: Re: just testing, this list seems deceased?
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>> How many remember the halcyon days of big color guy parties, such as the
>> Gretag NDA intro of the i1 in Orlando?
>
> Yes, and the i3forum in Laguna Beach and the ACN network of ColorSync
> Consultants? ?ColorSync? really isn?t a relevant term anymore is it? It?s a
> relic of a bygone era.
>
>> It would be interesting to find how many of that gang stayed in the biz
>> through Covid.
>
> Still in the biz and doing more interesting projects than ever. COVID was the
> wrench in the machine I needed. Putting a stop to being on the road 5+ days a
> week was amazing and allowed me to think more about what I?d really like to
> focus my time on.
>
> I?ve never been very interested in the G7 offset press calibration side of
> things. I?ve always been more focused on large format printing processes that
> picky art market clients use (solvent, latex, UV and dyesub), the artwork
> capture side of things, and techniques to get perfect reproductions. While
> getting the most out of aqueous inkjet is long put to bed, people still
> struggle with solvent and dyesub in particular and the RIPs haven?t raised
> the bar to help these users, sadly.
>
> It?s the capture side of things that's really so exciting and has seen so
> much improvement in recent years. 4 point lighting systems with exquisite
> polarization, camera profiling, workflow tweaking and colorimetric ?E reports
> is all really exciting to master. This along with today?s 100/400 megapixel
> cameras allows us to document work quickly at insane detail. Today?s cloud
> based databases make managing collections a lovely experience and combining
> gigapixel viewing within them is still just starting to come to market. Adobe
> has leapfrogged Capture One with a few key technologies. It?s an exciting
> area where there?s a lot happening?
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> And there?s a lot of imaging workflows that are being moved to the cloud.
> I?m seeing my larger clients intake customer files online, process images in
> the cloud (including color management) and run through the appropriate
> printer RIPs often with CM turned off. The cloud is the smart big brain and
> the RIPs are dumb passthrough workstations. So that?s another exciting area
> seeing a lot of growth right now.
>
> On a personal level, I?m fairly excited at how much better the i1Pro3 is from
> the 1Pro2 and how easy it is to take M3 measurements with the i1Pro3plus.
> These tools are fast and affordable and the end results speak for themselves.
> And Apple Silicon! ColorSync is gonna rock on that M1Max 16? laptop next week
> I'm sure? Getting the Quadra 660av was the last time I was as excited about
> getting a new machine.
>
>> Conjecture and chatter are that we are down to perhaps 10%.
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> Thank god for that ;-p I think the argumentative big egos and chest beating
> have driven people away. I do so miss those early days of inquisitive
> discussions with open sharing. Tip of the hat to all of you - you know who
> you are.
>
> Scott Martin
> www.on-sight.com
> Imaging Science for Art
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