Re: Why 2 degree observer measurements for ICC profiles?
Re: Why 2 degree observer measurements for ICC profiles?
- Subject: Re: Why 2 degree observer measurements for ICC profiles?
- From: Claas Bickeböller via colorsync-users <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2024 09:35:22 +0200
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Hi Jan-Peter,
but you will not judge the complete monitor image at once nor will you
judge the complete magazine.
You typically focus on a smaller area and then change your focus.
Think of how you make a proof-to-print evaluation.
Best regards
Claas
Jan-Peter Homann schrieb am 17.07.24 um 08:49:
Hi Claas,
Thanks for your explanation.
I made your simple test, and even my Laptop monitor is bigger than my
fist. Same for looking on a double sided magazine with photos.
Should we change to the the 10° observer for the printing industry?
Whats about defining the printing industry as being part both of the
media industry and a technical process for coating surfaces?
Both industries are using 10° observer for measurements...
Best regards
Jan-Peter
Am 7/16/2024 um 9:22 AM schrieb Claas Bickeböller via colorsync-users:
Hi Peter,
The difference between the 2° and 10° observer is basically the size of
the area on your retina that is stimulated.
For the 2° observer mainly the cones in the center of the retina are
stimulated while for the 10° observer also the rods are stimulated.
That leads to a difference in color perception.
Here is a quite nice visualization:
https://santhalakshminarayana.github.io/images/color-science/standard-observer.jpg
The type of application when our perception is like a 2° observer or a
10° observer respectively is closely related to the viewing distance.
When you look at a printed product from a typical viewing distance of
50-60cm the field of view is close to 2°.
That's why for ICC profiles that are mainly used for print applications
the 2° observer is the standard.
When you look at other products like let's say a painted wall the filed
of view is close to 10°.
The wording on our website is a little misleading I must admit.
Most of our industrial products are used for applications where the
viewing distance leads to a field of view where the 10° observer
correlates better than the 2° observer.
BTW, when you want to check if in a certain situation "you are" the 2°
or the 10° observer there is a simple test.
Stretch out your arm, thumb upwards and look at your thumb with one eye.
The area that is covered corresponds to approximately 2°.
If the area can be covered with the entire fist, this is
approximately 10°.
Best regards
Claas
Peter Miles via colorsync-users schrieb am 16.07.24 um 04:13:
Hi list members.
Hoping some color science folk out there on the list could help
answer a question I have.
From Konica Minoltas web page titled “Understanding standard
observers in color measurement”
“CIE standard observers help correlate instrumental color
measurements to human visual assessments. The 1964 10 Degree
Supplementary Standard Observer is considered to be more
representative of how the human eye perceives color.”
So why do ICC profiles, for print production, still use 2degree
observer measurements instead of 10 degree observer measurements?
Given that the 10 degree observer “is considered to be more
representative of how the human eye perceives color. (me: Than 2
degree observer)”
Thanks
Peter
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