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Re: Automation record ?
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Re: Automation record ?


  • Subject: Re: Automation record ?
  • From: Chris Reed <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 16:13:22 -0600

On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 12:16 pm, Bill Stewart wrote:

On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 01:12 AM, email@hidden wrote:

My impression of why we added these APIs was so that the user's interaction was captured by a host.
But that the UI or the AU itself would NEVER need to generate these - that parameter notifications were provided for that messaging

By not generating them, do you mean that parameter change of the UI could only occur from user mouse interaction start to user mouse interaction stop ?

Suppose that the user interaction trigger some action resulting in parameters changes for 1 second after he has mouse up :

Then if you want the host to capture that you send the parameter change using AUParameterSet - I'm not going to assert that I understand all of the subtlties here, but our intention was that the listener support for parameters would be sufficient for a host to know about all of the interactions on an AU's parameters without a need for the host to continually poll...


Niko pointed out something much earlier in this discussion that I later understood while thinking about it a few days ago. My description is terribly wordy, but I want to make sure everyone gets the idea (especially since I didn't at first).

Basically what he was saying is this... Say you have an automation track already recorded and you want to change the values between two points in time. So you turn on recording and start playing that segment. When you want to record a new value, you click whatever control and hold it down. When you're done, you let the mouse up.

The key here is that the value may actually not be changing the whole time you are holding the mouse down. It will probably change shortly after the mouse down, but there may be large gaps where the value stays the same and no parameter change notifications will be sent. But the user will expect the app to record the new value the whole time she holds the mouse down. So how does the app know that it should still be writing to the automation track if no parameter notifications are sent?

Graphically, it looks like this:

Assume this line represents a single parameter value for an AU in time.
|---------------------------|
^ 1

At point 1, say the value is 50 or something. Even though there are no more value changes through the rest of this "track", the user interprets it as the value being set to 50 at each point along the line.

|------------|======|-------|
^ 1 ^2 ^3

Now the user records over the track in the middle. She only moves the knob or whatever once, at point 2, setting the vaue to 100. But she holds the mouse button down until point 3. The user will expect that the knob will snap back to the original value of 50 from point 3 until the end of the track. So there was a single AUParameterSet call made, with its corresponding notification, but the host app must somehow be made aware of when to stop recording.

Personally, I think there should be more specific support for automation recording, rather than just repurposing the mouse click notifications. Or at least rename them. Right now it's not at all apparent what they are really being used for (at least in Logic).

-chris
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