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Re: Open source mixer AU proposal
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Re: Open source mixer AU proposal


  • Subject: Re: Open source mixer AU proposal
  • From: Bill Stewart <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 15:38:38 -0700

On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 01:15 PM, Robert Grant wrote:

Hi Chris,

That's interesting and would certainly provide a solution. A *big* problem that I forgot to mention is that the Matrix mixer (and the improved Stereo mixer) is not available for Jaguar and I'm not sure I want to restrict a new product to Panther customers only.

I think the plan is actually to update these pieces on Jaguar systems as well - I can confirm this for you shortly

I'd recommend that you use the MM if at all possible - we spend alot of time optimisting this (and it also does metering :), and you can get both panning and down-mixing volumes from the AudioFormat API - all in all, it saves you alot of work

Bill


Thanks,

Robert.

On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 03:24 PM, Chris Rogers wrote:

Robert,

All of these features are very doable by connecting several matrix mixers
together in the right way, along with the built-in lo-hi shelf and parametric
EQ AudioUnits. Also, in Panther, the stereo mixer will mix
stereo sources (but not in the WWDC seed - sorry ;-)
Although, the matrix mixer may not present the controls in the way you're
used to seeing them, it's fairly straightforward to write a "wrapper"
AudioUnit which internally uses matrix mixers, etc., publishing the
parameters and busses in exactly the way you describe...

Chris Rogers
Core Audio
Apple Computer



As I've written before :-) I'm not happy with my mixing options as an AU host developer. The Stereo mixer is too basic and the new Matrix mixer (which I guess we can discuss now that Bill has mentioned it :-)) is too "matrix" for lack of better description.

What I'm looking for is a mixer that is somewhat akin to real-world mixers. I want:

Stereo/mono inputs
per input:
input gain fader
input balance/pan (balance for stereo, pan for mono)
send levels
pre/post fader switches for the sends (not essential but nice to have)
Some basic EQ (lo/mid/hi) would also be nice but not essential
multiple stereo effect send busses (say 4)
Effect Return busses if it's technically feasible (see below)
Stereo master out.

The way I see it working is that this mixer could be coupled with the stereo mixer to provide a full featured mixing environment. Seems easier than trying to embed the send effect loop within the mixer - but if I'm wrong I'm happy to hear it :-)

As I've demonstrated here many times I'm not talented enough to build this myself or even have much idea about how to get started. So I'm interested in working on a SourceForge type project with a BSD-type license (because I want to build commercial apps with it) with a few others - I'd probably be able to fill in some of the blanks :-). It wouldn't need a GUI I think because hosts would happily provide their own (especially if it is often coupled with the Stereo mixer).

Is anyone interested in helping out?

Thanks,

Robert.
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