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Re: auval and you
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Re: auval and you


  • Subject: Re: auval and you
  • From: William Stewart <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:05:55 -0700

Our customers do not give us the luxury of waiting for 2 to 3 years to turn around critical bugs. I really am surprised that you consider it reasonable to expect users to live with plugins that might be scribbling over memory and causing random crashes and so forth for such a period of time.

Regardless of this (and I think we'll have to agree to disagree here), bare in mind that auval doesn't prohibit anything. For instance, in Logic if an AU fails validation, the user can still bypass this and use the AU; it still will behave exactly the same way as it did before. We don't explicitly disable the AU completely (nor do we have any plans to do that either). The difference is that the user now knows that if they are experiencing instabilities in their projects, then it could be due to problems with some of the audio units they are using, rather than the host apps. Remember, all that the user knows is that Logic crashed.

Finally, I would also reiterate that for many of these enhancements we are giving you 2 to 3 years to fix them. As I said below, many of the tests that now fail an audio unit in Leopard have been explicitly bypassed for the 10.4.9 update for just the reason you ascribe (even though some of these I consider to be quite serious problems). The time difference between Tiger and Leopard is about 2 years. Ideally, I would hope that the AUs themselves would be fixed before we explicitly start failing them.

Bill

On 20/03/2007, at 12:54 PM, Angus F. Hewlett wrote:

Bill,

May I respectfully suggest that six months is NOWHERE NEAR LONG ENOUGH when you're talking about breaking previously-'compatible' software.

Yes, I realise you're keen to get new features rolled out, and have host developers being in a position to take advantage of new features with full confidence, but a six month window bears little relation to a lot of devs' working cycles.

I'm sure we all have our own ideas as to what the cutoff period or compatibility window should be, my £0.011 is that actual compatibility should not be broken for perhaps 2 or 3 years after full warning is given to developers.

There are a lot of AUs written in the last 2-3 years that are still 'current' from a user point of view, but may well be no longer supported by their developer, or are just not at a phase in the dev cycle where the dev is able to put out new releases at a few months' notice. Are the gains from tightening the spec at this point really big enough to cause end-users as much inconvenience as this may do?

Best regards,
      Angus.





William Stewart wrote:
As many of you know, audio units are plugins that run within the process (address space) of a host application. They enhance the capabilities of the host apps, providing many choices to users for synthesis, sampling, audio processing and so forth.

From the perspective of a host app, there are two primary conditions that must be met:
(1) The API as specified for the audio unit must be implemented correctly
(2) The behaviour of the audio unit must be predictable and reliable.


If these two criteria are not met the user can experience instabilities when using the audio unit within a host application (such as Logic, Garage Band, Digital Performer, etc), including catastrophic consequences such as crashing and the loss of unsaved data.

auval is a tool that was designed to validate the basic behaviour and operation of an audio unit. Its primary focus applies to two areas:
(1) API conformance/correctness
- does the audio unit implement the semantics of the API contract correctly?
(2) Behaviour
- does the audio unit have bugs that would cause random crashes or other undesired consequences?


An audio unit passed through the validation process can have several results:
(1) PASS
- the API is implemented correctly and no problems have been detected
(2) PASS with warnings
- the audio unit may have some problems in some situations, but in general it is behaving correctly


In the following two cases the audio unit should be considered to be unreliable and problematic if used:
(3) FAIL with errors
- the audio unit exhibits some significant problems that would impact its general usability
(4) Crashes
- in some cases the auval tool is not able to directly detect a problem with the audio unit, but it can cause something bad to happen in the audio unit through the testing that it does.


Regardless of any of these results, auval has no actual influence or affect on the audio unit when it is used within a host app.

The primary API specification for audio units was described with Mac OS X 10.2; it is known colloquially as "Audio Unit v2"; version two of the API. The API calls are expressed primarily in the AudioUnit.framework, in the header files AUComponent.h and AudioUnitProperties.h. Audio units have of course developed since then, with new features added to accommodate different scenarios and user requirements, however the basic API semantic and compatibility has remained as defined at that time.

The auval tool has also developed since then; it has changed to test and validate new features and is also able to detect problems now that it previously wasn't able to. We regularly seed copies of auval to all audio unit developers to ensure that the auval tool is not itself introducing problems as well as to provide a chance for feedback and other comments. We seed as often as we can; providing builds months ahead of when we would expect these to be released to the general public. We expect developers, just as our users expect this of us, to incorporate fixes to these problems in their updates, hopefully before a new version auval itself is released.

As an example of this, the changes that were made to auval as released in 10.4.9 were largely made and seeded to developers in Sept/Oct 2006 (some of these changes even earlier than this). We also disabled some of the tests as they would apply to a Tiger based system because we didn't think they warranted a failure on such a system. In these cases, they will however fail when running against the auval installed with a Leopard system; this version has also been seeded to developers.

If you are not on the auval seeding program and you are developing audio units, then please contact me (William Stewart: email@hidden).

We'll gladly answer any comments or concerns.

Thanks

Bill

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