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Re: Automation woes
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Re: Automation woes


  • Subject: Re: Automation woes
  • From: Eric Gorouben <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:31:18 +0100

Hi,

There might be somehow a bug or a "feature" in Logic (express 7.2) and pro 8.0 since there is no problem in Live 7 and GarageBand.
However, there must be a turnaround, otherwise no AU would work in Logic!
Is there a way to test automation in AULab?


Eric
Le 24 janv. 08 à 08:56, Stephan M. Bernsee a écrit :


Hi Brian,

I agree with you 100%, although I don't see gestures and interpolation as being unrelated (for the reason that I have already stated, which btw. is also mentioned in an earlier discussion about gestures on this list - gestures do help interpreting the meaning of parameter value changes as being part of a continuous path. And if you look at the behaviour you get from Logic this appears to be exactly what they do).

In any event, the thing that I thought Eric seems to be struggling with is that Logic 8 doesn't record parameter changes made through AUParameterSet calls without an active gesture session. In an earlier post on this list ("Cocoa AU template, AUParameterSet and Logic automation") I was wondering if this is a bug in Logic because I too was under the impression that gestures were be optional, not mandatory. In practice, however, it turns out that in Logic 8 gestures are indeed required in order to record parameter automation events.

Since Eric is aware of this his problem must lie somewhere else.

I still stand by my opinion that it should not be necessary to bracket each and every call to AUParameterSet with a gesture start/ end event - they wouldn't be very useful then.

Regards,
--smb


Am 24.01.2008 um 08:35 schrieb Brian Willoughby:

Interpolation is by no means the only useful thing to do with gesture bracketing. For one thing, perhaps minor, Pro Tools plugin API has a way to highlight controls that are being controlled, so the begin gesture would draw the highlight and the end gesture would remove it. More importantly, Logic and other DAW software have multiple automation recording modes, some of which erase old automation data whenever the user modifies a parameter. Without the begin gesture and end gesture, there would be no way for the automation system to know that it should erase and update the automation value for the duration that someone holds the mouse on a control, or otherwise holds a control at some new value. Also, the final release of the mouse may come a very long time after the last value change, but the automation system must cease erasing old data and revert to the old automation value as soon as the user "lets go" of the control - i.e. end gesture.

Interpolation is completely optional and rather unrelated to gestures.

Brian Willoughby
Sound Consulting


On Jan 23, 2008, at 22:07, Stephan M. Bernsee wrote: Am 24.01.2008 um 04:05 schrieb William Stewart:
On Jan 23, 2008, at 1:36 PM, Stephan M. Bernsee wrote:
Am 23.01.2008 um 22:24 schrieb Eric Gorouben:
No, I'm afraid not (not at the moment anyway). Except that you should NOT bracket every parameter change by a begin/end gesture event...!

But that wouldn't prevent the automation from working, it would just cause the parameter values to jump instead of being interpolated...

No - there's no implication from Begin/End gesture that there is any interpolation... Setting a parameter is always going to be an explicit "set the parameter to this value now" call. Its up to the AU to dezipper the parameter change if it should be (that is, you never want it to just jump internally because it would cause a glitch or some such)...

Well, but of what use are the begin/end gesture events then, if not to notify the host that any AUParameterSet calls between them are to be interpreted as sampled points along a continuous path?


--smb

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