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Re: Test report iTunes SRC
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Re: Test report iTunes SRC


  • Subject: Re: Test report iTunes SRC
  • From: "Mikael Hakman" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 14:46:51 +0200
  • Organization: Datakonsulten AB

On Friday, September 05, 2008 11:33 AM, Richard Dobson wrote:
Mikael Hakman wrote:
Using my precision tools for assessing quality of audio devices and algorithms I investigated iTunes SRC. The test report is at http://www.dkab.net/iTunes report.pdf.

As compared to previous MBP built-in audio device report at http://www.dkab.net/Realtek HDA report.pdf, the new report contains 4 additional analyses and charts. These are: a comparison between test and response signals, differences between the two, and variations of amplitude and phase with frequency. MBP built-in device report has also been updated to contain the new analyses.


Excellent to include the time-domain figures. Really does make it clear eactly what you are doing. May I suggest numbering the figures? This will make it easier to refer to them within the text, and for example to note the similarity between the blue line in the 13th figure and the right hand half of the IR in the first figure (which I still think should simply be called the impulse response, and not the "single pulse response"). It is now clear the measurement starts aligned to the centre peak of the IR (the first half in effect being truncated); something that I do not think is clear from the text. Since for a given input length N the output length must be N+(L-1) where L is the length of the IR (i.e. including both pre- and post-ringing), it is important to be sure which parts of the full output are being truncated to obtain the matching 4800 samples.

A picture is worth a thousand words - I too think that time-domain charts help understanding how the numbers and charts in both iTunes SRC and MBP built-in device reports were obtained. Also, I enjoy being didactical once I switch to my teacher role.


Yes, you are quite right, the figures should be numbered. My intention was to do so but then I decided to use Open Office in this project (just to learn it, not because I'm dissatisfied with Microsoft Office that I use for years) and there were so many new details to learn (finer points of formatting) and I was eager to get something out so that figure numbering wasn't done. I'll fix it next time I'll be updating the reports, which hopefully will be soon when adding IMD charts.

I agree, "Impulse" is more precise than "Single Pulse". The reason I used the latter name is mainly that I've been working for may years in another sub area of signal processing, and the experimentalists in that area had their own "single" things (single dose, single injection etc) so we used "single pulse" in order to facilitate communication with these people. I'll try to fix it at the next update and see how it feels.

Building on your excellent observation of similarity between right hand IR and the blue line in 13th figure, one could ask why these differences appear only at beginning of the signal but not later on. The answer is that later on, the changes introduced by the right hand IR part are balanced by changes introduced by left hand IR. At the very beginning, the left hand IR "works" on silence signal and therefore changes done by right hand IR aren't balanced. You probably need to think in terms of convolution integral (or sum of products in digital world) to clearly see this. This means also that whenever there is a non steady-state signal in audio (normal case in music), these 2 parts won't balance perfectly and short-time distortion will result. The magnitude of this distortion will depend on actual device IR and also on how fast the actual signal changes in time at that very moment. This kind of distortion is not detected by traditional steady-state measurements.

This effect is measurable in both MBP built-in audio device and in iTunes SRC algorithm. Because length of IR in both cases is under 1 millisecond (the L in your post) then the duration of this intermittent distortion will be under 1 millisecond. During reproduction of audio signal this will arise every time there are fast changes in the signal, which means all the time for normal music. Whether this effect is audible or not is another question, of course.

In MBP built-in device there is however also another effect, 150 milliseconds variation of DC-offset. I don't think this is related to IR in above way.

Returning to iTunes SRC, the values shown in my report are very good. I would be very pleased if I could find a commercial DAC/ADC device with these characteristics. Nevertheless, I still think that iTunes should have user-controllable option allowing for automatic matching of source and device SR by requesting correct SR from device.

Regards/Mikael

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