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Re: Outputting Multichannel sound from stereo sources
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Re: Outputting Multichannel sound from stereo sources


  • Subject: Re: Outputting Multichannel sound from stereo sources
  • From: Richard Dobson <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 16:04:31 +0100

On 12/08/2010 15:28, Simon Thorpe wrote:
Paul,

..
So, if anyone can point to me to a place that can sell me multichannel
recordings, I'd be grateful. But, in the meantime, I would just like to be
able to play music through more than 2 speakers. Surely, this is not so
unreasonable?


There are many such recordings avaialable for free from www.ambisonia.com; mostly in B-Format for decoding to e.g. 5.1, some also in DTS format 5.1 pre-decoded. Note this relies on BitTorrent; in theory a good idea, but in practice (since hardly anyone is online to support it) the files take FOR EVER to download.


Also worth asking on the sursound mailing list - many professional producers and recording engineers hang out there.

But - it may not be quite as "reasonable" an idea as you may think. What, ~exactly~, do you want/expect to come out of the extra channels? Most people use surround to enhance auditory localization, and/or the sense of "being there" - hence the use of the surround channels to project the reverb one would hear from behind (and to the side etc) in a live performance presented from a front stage; in principle, to capture and reproduce the full "soundfield" in Ambisonic parlance. If you want somehow to hear the music sort-of remixed with different instruments routed to different channels, you will be pretty much out of luck. There are techniques for demixing ("blind source separation" etc), but they are both complex and limited. Unless really done carefully, more speakers = worse sound, not better. Shock and awe maybe; but not quality, clarity or refinement. You might like to consider the notion that using more speakers simply because they are there may not in fact give you the results you suppose. You can be confident that good stereo is far better than bad surround!

The likelihood is, after the thrill of the novelty has subsided, that you might actually find (especially if you set up your stereo speakers really carefully, which most people do not bother to do) that good old stereo both sounds really good and can be surprisingly enveloping. None of the 5.1 and 7.1 layouts is optimally suited to good soundfield reproduction, as those layouts are so geometrically irregular. Conversely, a precisely laid out plain rectangular quad layout (hence, front pair at +- 45degrees) can sound surprisingly good. Better then to reserve your surround speakers for music expressly recorded that way in the first place. Which inter alia takes you back to Ambisonics and the above site.


NB this is not really directly pertinent to CoreAudio development, so is probably OT for this list.


Richard Dobson

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