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Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc
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Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc


  • Subject: Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc
  • From: Michael Smith <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 00:07:00 -0800


On Feb 6, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Michael Cashwell wrote:

Pages are cleaned by a reasonably high priority kernel thread. The issue is not priority inversion, it's that determining pre-facto the working set for the pageout path is NP-hard.

OK, but what confuses me then is that if the issue is not priority inversion (which is another name for deadlock) then why is pre- computing the working set for the pageout path necessary? Is it that if the pageout code (or data) itself were paged out then you're stuck?

Correct.

If that's it, I'm surprised that some sort of memory pool dedicated to that task couldn't confine those elements to one wired memory region. Wiring most of the kernel to protect just that seems draconian. (I'm not saying that the pageout code and data aren't important just that it would seem they could be isolated.)

I suppose that's tough given that all manner of IOKit drivers related to disk IO (and raid) might be involved.

Now you're getting it. 8)

It's important to understand that we're not just talking about paging out to the swap files here; you can have dirty pages associated with files from *any* filesystem. It might be a network filesystem or a USB device or your Time Capsule or even (gack) a filesystem coming in via FUSE.

In order to be able to make reliable forward progress, the system can't catch-22 itself vs. any of these things, and it's simply not possible to practically track every page that is associated with something that might at some point in the future be required on the pageout path.

 = Mike

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References: 
 >Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc (From: Nathan <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc (From: Rand Childs <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc (From: Amanda Walker <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc (From: Nathan <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc (From: Andrew Gallatin <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc (From: Steve Checkoway <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc (From: Michael Cashwell <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc (From: Michael Smith <email@hidden>)
 >Re: Hard-limits for kern.maxproc (From: Michael Cashwell <email@hidden>)

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