[Fed-Talk] Outlook OOO & rules
[Fed-Talk] Outlook OOO & rules
- Subject: [Fed-Talk] Outlook OOO & rules
- From: "Cole, Eric L CIV" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 15:43:25 -0500
- Thread-topic: Outlook OOO & rules
You can apply rules to the OOO message so that it doesn't send. A
person could input the mailing list address in that rule.
Eric L. Cole
Mechanical Engineer
NSWCDD-Launcher Systems
CVN77, CVN21 & LHA(R) Armaments (missiles & guns)
540-653-4964
DSN: 249-4964
Fax: 540-653-4166
The "scientific establishment:" National Geographic, Scientific
American, Discovery Channel, PBS/NOVA, etc - don't believe everything
you see from them:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/1106ng.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/pbs_nova/
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp
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1. Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4 (email@hidden)
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3. Re: Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4 (Michael Pike)
4. Re: Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4 (Brian Raymond)
5. Re: Re: Fed-talk Digest, & OOO messages (Lewis Bean)
6. Problem loading root certificates (Daniel Clark)
7. Re: Problem loading root certificates (Shawn Geddis)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 12:05:24 -0800
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Subject: [Fed-Talk] Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
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I will be out of the office the week of January 3-7, 2005 and will
return to work on January 10. Thank you.
Ted Whetstone
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:27:22 -0500
From: Brian Raymond <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
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All of these 'out of office" notifications bring up a question I had. I
notice Apple doesn't prohibit them as some other lists I frequent do but
it's considered poor etiquette to allow "out of office" notifications to
be sent to mailing lists one is subscribed to. It's real fun on the ones
I'm on who have thousands of people and can become a real problem.
Is it possible to add something to your FAQ? Or a note in your Terms and
Conditions about it?
- Brian
- Brian
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:40:58 -0700
From: Michael Pike <email@hidden>
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Even if there was a policy, I do not think it would help, as the OOO
notifications are an automatic part of Exchange. I do not think you
can turn them off for a specific user. And kicking the user off would
probably weaken the cause of the list.
It might be possible to implement a filter looking for the subject, but
not everyone has to use the canned subject for the OOO reply either...
which would make a filter not fool prof.
I do not use the OOO so I can't really answer... when I leave town, I
prefer people to wait in suspense - and just when they get ticked at me
because they think I ignore them, I write back... if people know you're
out, they know you can't act, then who knows what could happen. "Less
is more" I always say.... then again, maybe I am paranoid :)
Mike
On Jan 3, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Brian Raymond wrote:
> All of these 'out of office" notifications bring up a question I had.
> I notice Apple doesn't prohibit them as some other lists I frequent do
> but it's considered poor etiquette to allow "out of office"
> notifications to be sent to mailing lists one is subscribed to. It's
> real fun on the ones I'm on who have thousands of people and can
> become a real problem.
>
> Is it possible to add something to your FAQ? Or a note in your Terms
> and Conditions about it?
>
> - Brian
>
>
> - Brian
>
>
>
> email@hidden wrote:
>> I will be out of the office the week of January 3-7, 2005 and will
>> return to work on January 10. Thank you. Ted Whetstone
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 15:52:51 -0500
From: Brian Raymond <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: Fed-talk Digest, Vol 2, Issue 4
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I mentioned that some lists kick users off but I didn't mean that's what
I think should be done in this case.
An addition to the FAQ or Terms and Conditions would make users aware of
the possible issues it causes and hopefully they might think about how
they to better handle the notification problem.
- Brian
Michael Pike wrote:
> Even if there was a policy, I do not think it would help, as the OOO
> notifications are an automatic part of Exchange. I do not think you
> can turn them off for a specific user. And kicking the user off would
> probably weaken the cause of the list.
>
> It might be possible to implement a filter looking for the subject,
> but
> not everyone has to use the canned subject for the OOO reply either...
> which would make a filter not fool prof.
>
> I do not use the OOO so I can't really answer... when I leave town, I
> prefer people to wait in suspense - and just when they get ticked at
me
> because they think I ignore them, I write back... if people know
you're
> out, they know you can't act, then who knows what could happen. "Less
> is more" I always say.... then again, maybe I am paranoid :)
>
> Mike
>
> On Jan 3, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Brian Raymond wrote:
>
>> All of these 'out of office" notifications bring up a question I had.
>> I notice Apple doesn't prohibit them as some other lists I frequent
>> do but it's considered poor etiquette to allow "out of office"
>> notifications to be sent to mailing lists one is subscribed to. It's
>> real fun on the ones I'm on who have thousands of people and can
>> become a real problem.
>>
>> Is it possible to add something to your FAQ? Or a note in your Terms
>> and Conditions about it?
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>> - Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> email@hidden wrote:
>>
>>> I will be out of the office the week of January 3-7, 2005 and will
>>> return to work on January 10. Thank you. Ted Whetstone
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 16:02:45 -0500
From: Lewis Bean <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Re: Fed-talk Digest, & OOO messages
To: Brian Raymond <email@hidden>, Michael Pike
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Exchange is smart enough to only send out one out of office notice, so
it doesn't flood the email system in a never ending loop. In prior
email systems I would also add a rule so that an OOO message would only
go back to people who specifically addressed me with their email.
Outlook has such a rule, but I think that you have to turn off the
standard out of office handler to make it work.
Lewis Bean
GTSI Apple Government Sales Team
On 1/3/05 3:52 PM, "Brian Raymond" <email@hidden> wrote:
> I mentioned that some lists kick users off but I didn't mean that's
> what I think should be done in this case.
>
> An addition to the FAQ or Terms and Conditions would make users aware
> of the possible issues it causes and hopefully they might think about
> how they to better handle the notification problem.
>
> - Brian
>
> Michael Pike wrote:
>> Even if there was a policy, I do not think it would help, as the OOO
>> notifications are an automatic part of Exchange. I do not think you
>> can turn them off for a specific user. And kicking the user off
>> would probably weaken the cause of the list.
>>
>> It might be possible to implement a filter looking for the subject,
>> but not everyone has to use the canned subject for the OOO reply
>> either... which would make a filter not fool prof.
>>
>> I do not use the OOO so I can't really answer... when I leave town, I
>> prefer people to wait in suspense - and just when they get ticked at
>> me because they think I ignore them, I write back... if people know
>> you're out, they know you can't act, then who knows what could
>> happen. "Less is more" I always say.... then again, maybe I am
>> paranoid :)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Jan 3, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Brian Raymond wrote:
>>
>>> All of these 'out of office" notifications bring up a question I
>>> had. I notice Apple doesn't prohibit them as some other lists I
>>> frequent do but it's considered poor etiquette to allow "out of
>>> office" notifications to be sent to mailing lists one is subscribed
>>> to. It's real fun on the ones I'm on who have thousands of people
>>> and can become a real problem.
>>>
>>> Is it possible to add something to your FAQ? Or a note in your Terms
>>> and Conditions about it?
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> - Brian
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> email@hidden wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will be out of the office the week of January 3-7, 2005 and will
>>>> return to work on January 10. Thank you. Ted Whetstone
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 07:41:35 -0500
From: Daniel Clark <email@hidden>
Subject: [Fed-Talk] Problem loading root certificates
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I've been rebuilding one of our Macs (a G4 867 MHz), and was in the
process of re-CaCifying when I ran into a strange problem. I went to
DISA to load the certs into Mozilla
(http://dodpki.c3pki.chamb.disa.mil/dodcacerts.cac and
http://dodpki.c3pki.chamb.disa.mil/dodroot.cac), but only got two
subordinate CA certs instead of the whole list. I can't remember which
ones, and my notes aren't with me right now.
Anyway, as sort of an attempt to reproduce the problem, I installed
Firefox on another Mac that had the full CaC installation on it (with
the full list of certs in Mozilla), and the same thing happened when I
went to load the certs into it: only the same two loaded in. After some
fiddling, I found I could just manually stick the cert8.db file from a
good Mozilla install into the proper Firefox profile to load the
certificates.
Any ideas? The only thing that could be different is that all the
current machines are running 10.3.7, and previous CaC installations were
done under earlier revs.
Thanks,
Dan Clark
Naval Research Laboratory
Washington DC
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:07:18 -0500
From: Shawn Geddis <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Problem loading root certificates
To: Daniel Clark <email@hidden>
Cc: email@hidden
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On Jan 4, 2005, at 7:41 AM, Daniel Clark wrote:
> I've been rebuilding one of our Macs (a G4 867 MHz), and was in the
> process of re-CaCifying when I ran into a strange problem. I went to
> DISA to load the certs into Mozilla
> (http://dodpki.c3pki.chamb.disa.mil/dodcacerts.cac and
> http://dodpki.c3pki.chamb.disa.mil/dodroot.cac), but only got two
> subordinate CA certs instead of the whole list. I can't remember which
> ones, and my notes aren't with me right now.
Dan,
You are not the first and unfortunately not the last to experience this
problem. It would appear that the format of the posting of certs at
the above noted URLs has changed and is causing problems for many users
using _any_ of the browsers. I have helped several users by providing
either a fully populated Cert database (cert8.db) as you noted as well
as individual Trusted Root Certs for their importing into the desired
browsers.
As a side note:
Remember that on Mac OS X, for applications that properly leverage the
built in Credential Services, are accessing the X509Anchors &
X509Certificates where these DoD Trusted Root and Intermediate Certs
are already installed. I know this does not help you with your above
stated problem, but want you all to be aware.
I am working on this... :)
-Shawn
___________________________________________
Shawn Geddis
Security Consulting Engineer
Apple Computer - US Federal Government
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