Re: [Fed-Talk] Cost of Ownership Data
Re: [Fed-Talk] Cost of Ownership Data
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Cost of Ownership Data
- From: "Michael Pike" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 01:03:51 -0600
Kevin:
I am all too aware of this "movement". HHS is above IHS... and someone I will call "clueless Robert" and other IHS people who are calling the shots insists on saying "there is a no mac policy in HHS"... there is no policy like that.
As we all know, it's a crock of crap... every agency in HHS uses Macs... includiing agencies outside of HHS.. you know, the small agencies that have no technical know how (NSA, FBI, CIA).... they all use Macs, but IHS feels they are above these pitiful little agencies (BTW, I am being sarcastic.. the NSA, FBI, CIA are very prestigious agencies and use Macs.. but IHS feels they are above Macs and have all the answers, as is referenced by their STILL FAILING network of windows machines).
IHS is proud of what they call a revolutionary patient management system called RPMS, infact, the IHS CIO won an award for how great RPMS is.... RPMS is a 20+ year old MUMPS based CHUI application that runs in a VT100 terminal emulator... yes... very revolutionary. The IHS "EHR"... which is touted in the agency as "the very first electronic medical record" is 15+ years behind other EMR's (which aren't even on the cutting edge)... and well... nevermind... I can go on and on about this. The Apple/IHS thing almost sent me to the nuthouse (literally)...
If you want to change the world and make a difference, IHS is not the place to be, and that's why I left it.
mik
On 4/9/07, Kevin Molloy
<email@hidden> wrote:
And as I am sure Mike knows, there is an effort in the IHS to eliminate all Macs (and basically everything but one PC vendor), even though time and time again they (Macs) prove they keep working in instances such the one he mentions. We really need Apple to give us some good strong ammunition to open up the minds of those who do not see the benefits of these superior machines!
Kevin
On 4/6/07 3:46 PM, "Michael Pike" <email@hidden> wrote:
IHS is currently experiencing a Windows based virus that is wiping out the entire agency's router infrastructure (the whole country).
I know Minis are cost effective, but even if we bought every person in IHS a MacPro with 20 inch display, it would be less than the millions of dollars this virus will surely have cost by the time it's resolved.
The Primary AD PDC controllers were wiped out.... needless to say, Mac systems that may or may not be on the network were unaffected.
The great thing about one active directory compromise is the ability for one person to inherit admin on every machine in the country....
I already did a memo about this a few years ago... didn't seem to help.
mike
Mr. Lemson:
I don't have an "official" report available, but I can tell you my
facility elected to deploy 15 Mac Minis at a cost of $555.00 per
system instead of purchasing Windows based machines at a cost of
$1,200 per comparable system. The minis allowed me to comply with my
agency's requirement to operate Windows OS which I did with bootcamp
as well as continue to utilize existing videos, keyboards, and mouse
(s) or perhaps mice. And this only demonstrates the costs savings
regarding the system itself. I haven't reported the savings by not
having to dump working displays in a land fill because I replaced
them with a "package" deal that almost always includes a display nor
have I reported the savings of not having to remove viruses or other
problems on any of these minis. Although you could take this
information and create charts, graphs, etc to argue your case, the
scale of deployment is probably too small to serve your needs but I
am willing to share what information I have with you, just email me
directly.
P/S. Of course everything in this email is my opinion and does not
represent the opinion or procedures of the agency for which I am
employed.
-----tom
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On Apr 6, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Sean Lemson wrote:
> At the Mac Networkers Retreat last year, I posed the following
> question to the sound of crickets:
>
> We do a lot of talking as Mac admins about how much more it costs
> an organization to operate in a Windows environment than a Mac
> environment. I intuitively know this because throughout my 20+
> year Mac career, every place I've ever worked that has begun
> bringing Windows into the environment has doubled its staff size.
> Patch Tuesday can cause quite a stir here, while I and my other Mac
> admins sip coffee and get on with our days. There's an entire
> committee analyzing Vista. I can't imagine that any such committee
> will be necessary with Leopard.
>
> So my question is, has *anyone* seen or commissioned any kind of
> recent (OS X days) report of a Mac's cost of ownership vs.
> Windows? Management speaks in the form of bar charts, pie graphs,
> etc. If I'm to make any attempt to slow the migration to Windows
> here, I need hard numbers and there are political obstacles to
> getting them here so I'm wondering if anyone "out there" can help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean Lemson
> LLNL
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