Re: [Fed-Talk] Apple / AT&T Exclusivity Agreement
Re: [Fed-Talk] Apple / AT&T Exclusivity Agreement
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Apple / AT&T Exclusivity Agreement
- From: Joel Esler <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:12:23 -0400
You are going to have to have something better to compare than fancy
wallpapers and an expose switch. Or widgets. All that stuff kills
your battery. No thanks. I'd rather not have to switch my battery at
lunch time.
--
Joel Esler
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 10, 2010, at 3:06 PM, "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden
> wrote:
The iPhone does not allow an expose display in springboard.
The snapdragon is 1ghz. The iPhone does not video chat on anything
other than WiFi.
The iPhone does not have live wallpaper.
The iPhone does not have widgets to applications that overlay the
desktop.
I don't want to sound like the Droid does commercials, but that's
what it sounds like.
There are things the iPhone is capable of doing (jailbroken ones do
all of it) but as Apple has implemented and permits it will do none
of which I've stated.
And I have used iPhone 4 quite extensively on my 3gs for
development. Nothing impressed me to the point of "gotta have" like
the first two.
Mike
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G Android Phone
----- Reply message -----
From: "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden>
Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 12:49 pm
Subject: [Fed-Talk] Apple / AT&T Exclusivity Agreement
To: "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden>
Cc: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>, "email@hidden
" <email@hidden>
You said "it's faster"; "I enjoy unlimited expose style screens and
not flicking through them" (i.e., multitasking).
So you're saying that the EVO is faster than an iPhone 4 with the A4
processor, and that Android multitasking is better than the iPhone
4.x multitasking implementation, which you haven't used yet?
Interesting.
(I'm sure you understand my point.)
- Dave
On Jun 10, 2010, at 11:40 AM, Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ) wrote:
After seeing what the new iPhone 4 does I an comparing it to the
iPhone 4
IPhone 4 doesn't do any of the previously listed items.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G Android Phone
----- Reply message -----
From: "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden>
Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:44 am
Subject: [Fed-Talk] Apple / AT&T Exclusivity Agreement
To: "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden>
Cc: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>, "email@hidden
" <email@hidden>
I already have an EVO from Google I/O; but that's not the point. I
didn't say it's not a good device, and Android is a good platform.
The point is: why are you comparing a device that just came out to
year-old Apple devices and OSes?
Why not compare the EVO to the forthcoming iPhone 4 and iOS 4.x,
which is really a more fair comparison?
AT&T is just a red herring here, as it's only a matter of time
until other carrier options are available[1]; for example, iPhone 4
will be on a half-dozen different carriers in the UK alone.
- Dave
[1] There is one HUGE issue here: whether Apple chooses to make a
CDMA handset. The rest of the world over, iPhone can essentially be
the same GSM hardware. Though, Apple did make a version without Wi-
Fi for the China market, so it shows they're willing to at least
entertain different hardware, but making a non-GSM iPhone may end
up being a hurdle Apple doesn't want to deal with.
On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:29 AM, Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ) wrote:
I pay the 29 and I get 6gb tethered traffic and unlimited phone
traffic.
ATT clumps them together and caps at two.
I also use the EVO has a hotspot. I can share my connection with 7
machines for that one 30 rate. IPhone is single connection tether
using the same dataflow (2gb cap)
Pay ATT to enable a function and get no additional data?
I love Apple don't get me wrong but android has passed ios in my
opinion. Perhaps you should use one.
It's faster, definitely has all the useful apps ported already
(290k apps of which 90 percent are crap is not good)
Clouds fly across my home screen when a weather alert comes up.
Ios... can't do it.
I enjoy my background stars flying at warp speed while my icons
move. I enjoy unlimited expose style screens and not flicking
through them.
I enjoy video chat over 3g, 4g and WiFi today.
Give EVO a test drive. Thats all I am saying.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G Android Phone
----- Reply message -----
From: "Dave Schroeder" <email@hidden>
Date: Thu, Jun 10, 2010 11:18 am
Subject: [Fed-Talk] Apple / AT&T Exclusivity Agreement
To: "Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ)" <email@hidden>
Cc: "IT2 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR" <email@hidden>, "email@hidden
" <email@hidden>
AT&T won't have butchered anything.
I see that you ignored my points about Sprint banning all
tethering without a specific $29.99/mo plan in response to your
carping about AT&T's data rate changes, but that aside, the iPhone
still has far more share than Android, and the only reason the 1Q
numbers were they way they were is everyone waiting for iPhone 4.
All of the mobile developers I'm talking with at WWDC have a
common refrain: Android is incredibly fragmented both from an OS
and device perspective. It's a great platform, but it only is what
it is BECAUSE OF what the iPhone did in this space (forced a
carrier to cede control of what goes on the handset, which forced
others to do the same, creating a suitable marketplace for Android
to even exist).
I like the EVO too, but Android just isn't as polished as iOS. You
have to compare apples to apples here; you can't say, "I'm jumping
ship because AT&T does XYZ" when Sprint does the same thing, but
your device just allows you to circumvent your contract provisions
more easily.
No one knows the exact state of the exclusivity agreement, but
you're a fool if you believe Apple is going to stay with only AT&T
one second longer than it stops being beneficial (and if there is
a binding exclusivity agreement, as there is generally believe to
be, there is no choice until that's up anyway).
- Dave
On Jun 10, 2010, at 9:56 AM, Pike, Michael (IHS/HQ) wrote:
It's too late, at least for me... we dumped all 4 iphones and
went to Sprint HTC EVO last friday... it sucked because I do love
the iPhone, but ATT and the 30+ dropped calls and terrible
service had been enough for me... and to get a new iphone having
to get a 350 ETF... that was the final straw....
And now I actually like the EOV more than the iPhone... with
Salling media it syncs to itunes perfectly, iphoto perfectly as
well... and the big screen is nice.. and the expose style screen
switching is a huge hit, reminds me of using OS X moreso than the
iPhone iOS) does...
In two years the competition may all be this good and ATT may
very well end up having butchered the iPhone.
mike
On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:51 AM, IT2 Stuart Blake Tener, USNR wrote:
ALCON,
My understanding of the Apple and AT&T iPhone agreement is that
the
currently executed contractual conditions are a five (5) year
exclusivity agreement. Now, that being said, the predicates of
what
might offer relief to either side from the constraints of that
exclusivity agreement were never made public.
However, even if there were no relief option for the exclusivity
agreement for Apple or AT&T, it would stand to reason that next
year
might well be the fifth year and relief would (ostensibly) be
irrelevant anyway in that scenario, since I believe the iPhone's
initiate release was at least three, maybe four years ago.
V/R,
Stuart B. Tener
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