Re: RE: [Fed-Talk] Response to Higher over The "Apple Tracking"Headlines?
Re: RE: [Fed-Talk] Response to Higher over The "Apple Tracking"Headlines?
- Subject: Re: RE: [Fed-Talk] Response to Higher over The "Apple Tracking"Headlines?
- From: Jeffrey Walton <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:22:10 -0400
> Individuals with a Cellbrite UFED (or similar) can still extract the data
> directly from your phone… In fact, there’s some sort of fiasco going on
> right now regarding the use of Cellbrite UFEDs and Michigan State Police…
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Moore, Dallas T.
<email@hidden> wrote:
> Addressing point number 2…
>
> Individuals with a Cellbrite UFED (or similar) can still extract the data
> directly from your phone… In fact, there’s some sort of fiasco going on
> right now regarding the use of Cellbrite UFEDs and Michigan State Police…
>
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> From: fed-talk-bounces+dallas.t.moore=email@hidden
> [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+dallas.t.moore=email@hidden] On Behalf
> Of Joel Esler
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 3:39 PM
> To: Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC
> Cc: email@hidden
> Subject: Re: RE: [Fed-Talk] Response to Higher over The "Apple
> Tracking"Headlines?
>
> I've heard two things.
>
> #1 -- It's a bug in how they store it. Aka, they shouldn't be, and it'll be
> fixed in the next release, that comment is supposedly from an Apple
> employee.
>
> #2 -- This is overcome by encrypting your backups, one checkbox in iTunes.
>
> J
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Villano, Paul Mr CIV USA TRADOC
> <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> In the original article I sent (from CNN) it specifically said that because
> the technology is based on triangulating from the cell phone location and
> not from GPS, turning off location services does not stop the problem. I
> don't recall having physical possession of the device being mentioned.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rimar, Lee D Mr CTR USA USACE USA" <email@hidden>
> Date: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:01
> Subject: RE: [Fed-Talk] Response to Higher over The "Apple Tracking"
> Headlines?
> To: "email@hidden" <email@hidden>
>
>
>> (Paul, I'm not sure if I originally sent this YOU or to the List.
>> Sorry for the possible duplicate)
>>
>> Paul Villano wrote (in part):
>>
>> > What should those of us who are advocating the use of Idevices
>> as part
>> > of getting training to Soldiers say in response to these headlines?
>> > <http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/mobile/04/20/iphone.tracking/>
>>
>> And later...
>>
>> > Bad guys care where Soldiers are. There is software to track Soldiers
>> > with iphones
>> > without needing physical access to the device & with no way to shut it
>> > off.
>>
>> Paul, you're speaking of a much broader issue than was discussed in that
>> CNN article and others.
>>
>> Here's the original piece <http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/>
>> that stirred up today's fuss. I've read it as the data is stored on the
>> phone, and backed up on any computer you sync the phone with. It's not
>> transmitted anywhere. And you can turn off location service (or turn on
>> Airplane Mode) to prevent adding to the database. Or you could just turn
>> off the phone. So as far as the CNN story and others are concerned,
>> exploiting this data would require physical access to get the data -- and
>> you could prevent it from being recorded in the first place.
>>
>> But in a broader sense, you are correct: Anyone who carries a radio
>> (iPhone, other cellphone, maybe even the remote you use to unlock your car)
>> can be located. Anyone who carries a radio that's on often enough can be
>> tracked. That's not new -- security folks have to take that into account
>> when deciding to how (or if) to deploy a new device in their organization.
>>
>> And that points to the only reply I can think of for your original
>> question: This is only incrementally different from existing personal
>> electronics; keep it in perspective and plan accordingly.
>>
>> -Lee
>>
>> [SNIP]
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