Re: [Fed-Talk] BYOD
Re: [Fed-Talk] BYOD
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] BYOD
- From: Jeffrey Walton <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 17:06:32 -0400
> It starts with being able to contact the person. The organization does not
> have a 'right' to call an employee on a personal phone, it is a courtesy.
There are outstanding legal issues, too. See page 3 of "Mobile
Security: The Fallacy Of Remote Wiping Your Phone,"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ciocentral/2012/07/10/mobile-security-the-fallacy-of-remote-wiping-your-phone-2/.
I don't pretend to understand the finer details of legal issues and
arguments. I just know they exist and will become someone else's
problem at a later time.
Jeff
On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 4:47 PM, William Cerniuk <email@hidden> wrote:
> Isn't BYOD is also a convenience to the organization?
>
> Employees are carrying two devices today and much of the time the employee
> device is more current and more capable than the corporate device. Some now
> decline the 'benefit' of carrying the corporate device.
>
> It starts with being able to contact the person. The organization does not
> have a 'right' to call an employee on a personal phone, it is a courtesy.
> This is especially true on a personal cell phone were minutes cost money.
> Data also costs the employee money. Isn't it a significant expense for the
> employee to support their organization by buying their own smart phone?
>
> The organization also typically does not have the funding to supply every
> employee with a smart phone. Data plans and voice plans can easily cost
> $80/month. For an organization of 33,000, that would mean $2,640,000/month
> or $31,680,000 a year. Incidentally, that is 1/10 the size of the VA, is
> roughly 1/100th of the Army, and roughly 1/200th of the DoD on a whole.
>
> What if an organization could save 31 million a year? Who exactly is getting
> the big benefit? Is that really just a convenience to the employee? This
> figure savings goes up as BYOD includes the offload of the support for the
> device itself. The organization not only saves money on devices, voice and
> data plans but also saves money in reducing the enterprise support structure
> to a simply supporting a couple of secure services that said organization is
> already supporting.
>
> The Army stood up secure services, including robust standards based email,
> on ako.us.army.mil. I have been using that email system for some 10 year,
> nearly flawless operations, working perfectly with my iPhone, iPad and
> previously worked in clunkyville with my Nokia. At the same time, the Army
> had never paid a dime for my wireless while I worked there.
>
> I would offer that it is highly advantageous to the business if the employee
> is willing to BYOD.
>
> --
> R/Wm.
>
> On Sep 14, 2012, at 3:30 PM, "Marcus, Allan B" <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> I disagree. This is not an issue of what people will "stand for". BYOD is
> a choice for both the company and the worker. The company says: if you
> want to do company work on your personal device, e.g., access the company
> network or e-mail, then you follow these rules (included passwords, remote
> wipes, or whatever). The employee can choose to accept the rules of use
> and thus get access to her e-mail, network, or whatever, or can choose not
> to participate. BYOD is a convenience for the employees (so they only have
> to have one device) and for the employer (to get as much stolen hours of
> work from the employee as possible).
>
> I have not heard of a federal agency that is considering requiring an
> employee to bring their own device. The choice is up to the employee.
>
> --
>
> On 9/14/12 12:59 PM, "Villano, Paul A CIV USARMY TRADOC (US)"
> <email@hidden> wrote:
>
> As I said I really don't think folks will stand for having the Government
> install Government software on their personal devices, Good software or
> not. And a few lawsuits down the road with the real or perceived loss of
> privacy and I'm sure that will stop.
>
> [SNIP]
>
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