Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] iOS 6 maps...
- From: Joel Esler <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:35:51 -0400
All -- Please remember that the turn by turn is done by TomTom.
On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Jerry Blackmon <email@hidden> wrote:
> Or they'd have an unusable piece of crap that turns everyone with taste off to the iOS experience. That's the reason Apple (read: Steve) killed kaleidoscope-like themes in Classic, as I'm sure you remember.
>
> I think it's folly to expect Apple to pull off some great, incredible, earth-shattering, life-changing, miraculous innovation every year like clockwork. That's not how creativity works. And I think those who expect that have never really created anything before. But we're doing a lot of navel gazing in the community about what Apple SHOULD have done or Steve would never have allowed x. Tim made a decision, it's out there, and now we've got to deal with it. 10.0 was a very shiny turd that led to the excellence we enjoy today. Should Steve have killed release until it reached Panther's level of refinement? Perfection takes time. And it's interesting how we seem to be seeing the same five examples of Maps Gone Wild™. Yet another Antennagate? Those seem to happen around this time every year like clockwork.
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> http://anthonydrendel.com/blog/2012/9/24/ios-maps-and-china.html
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> I'm willing to give Tim the benefit of the doubt on this one.
>
> ---
> Jerry
>
> On Sep 24, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Mike Pike <email@hidden> wrote:
>
>> I don't think this situation is a matter of what would Steve do, but a matter of "don't ship substandard crap".
>>
>> The truth of the matter (in my opinion anyhow) is that this is the most lackluster iOS yet. But in Apple's defense, how much more can you improve? Now it comes down to interface elements because for the most part all high end phones do the same things in different ways.
>>
>> I saw a jail broke 4S on Saturday with an interface that blew my mind. The icons swirled on and off the screen. If apple allowed mainstream stuff like that on the phone without a hack they'd hands down be the best experience.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 3:29 PM, "Blackmon, Jerry (NIH/NHGRI) [C]" <email@hidden> wrote:
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>>> “Among his last advice he had for me, and for all of you, was to never ask what he would do. ‘Just do what’s right,’” Cook said. Jobs wanted Apple to avoid the trap that Walt Disney Co. (DIS)<http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/DIS:US> fell into after the death of its iconic founder, Cook said, where “everyone spent all their time thinking and talking about what Walt would do.”
>>>
>>> The man was a sage.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 5:17 PM, "Mike Pike" <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
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>>> I don't think anyone is saying Steve Jobs would not have eventually moved to Maps, but he definitely wouldn't have let it ship in this way...
>>>
>>> He would have waited for it to be perfected... probably leaving Google on there.
>>>
>>> If Apple really wanted turn by turn directions, there are quite a few that do a GREAT job... my personal favorite is MotionX - and the variety of personalities you can use for the voice.
>>>
>>> I am quite sure any of the GPS companies would sell themselves to Apple for a song compared to the nightmare Apple is now undergoing because of the Maps app.
>>>
>>> We have news stations saying to avoid it for now... although, as someone said, there are other turn by turn apps out there. Personally, I NEVER used Google Maps.. I paid $10 for a year of turn by turn to MotionX...
>>>
>>> Now I have Maps... and in our market, if I had followed it's directions to my house I would have ended up in a ditch about a block away from my house (which will probably be the next Samsung ad)...
>>>
>>> Siri, while not perfect, is DAMN good.. It is the best AI I have "seen"... although I do not own a new Android device to see how far Google has come.
>>>
>>> I'm fairly certain Steve would not have let this ship... and a lot of people probably would have been fired...
>>>
>>> Even the demo shown with Maps were mockups but represented as life like.
>>>
>>> In regards to MobileMe.... MobileMe if you think about it was really cool... it was just handled wrong...
>>>
>>> For those of you who do not know, MobileMe was CONTRACTED out to third party developers. I actually knew one - didn't even work for Apple but developed the entire web interface we saw.... I'm sure on a small scale MobileMe worked great when Steve approved it - after it went south is probably the start of iCloud...
>>>
>>> And in closing, Apple didn't even want to start from scratch with iCloud... Steve Jobs personally met with the founder of DropBox and asked him to join Apple... DropBox guy said no... Steve said, "we are going to compete with you and win."
>>>
>>> So far that hasn't happened... I've lost more data in iCloud documents than DropBox has users... DropBox works perfect... followed by SkyDrive (in my usage anyhow).
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 1:37 PM, Rowe, Walter wrote:
>>>
>>> In case no one took the opportunity to actually read the link I sent, the past paragraph said Jobs would have made this move too. Apple wants turn-by-turn navigation and Google won't license it via the API. That is a differentiator for Android vs iOS since Google owns Android. Given that Apple could not get Google to license turn-by-turn navigation, Apple had to go their own way eventually in order to get that feature and compete with Android.
>>>
>>> One not-so-secret reason Apple built its own Maps for iOS 6<http://www.tuaw.com/2012/09/23/one-not-so-secret-reason-apple-built-its-own-maps-for-ios-6-tal/>
>>>
>>> Walter
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>>> On Sep 24, 2012, at 2:13 PM, "Marcus, Allan B" <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
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>>> You do have a choice. There are a number of free and commercial map
>>> programs you can get for iOS.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Allan Marcus
>>> 505-667-5666
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>>> On 9/24/12 10:44 AM, "Mike Pike" <email@hidden<mailto:email@hidden>> wrote:
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>>> Wouldn't have been released under Steve Jobs's watch.
>>>
>>> I'm not a maps users but wow.... They should have given a choice.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
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