Re: [Fed-Talk] Definition of Mobile Device
Re: [Fed-Talk] Definition of Mobile Device
- Subject: Re: [Fed-Talk] Definition of Mobile Device
- From: William Cerniuk <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 09:46:07 -0400
Sure, the gizmo crowd is a little disappointed with the lack of a new Apple Watch or a new Mac or even the iPhone SE using the same old iPhone 5 case. Not all major changes have to be in hardware.
Realize that at some point, you might be an old codger ... And CareKit may make a huge difference in your life. Apple is taking a serious risk getting involved with the medical industry... Medical industry tech is so backwards and so recalcitrant that it caused Microsoft and Google to fail in the undustry. CareKit is a big gamble with serious 'change the world again' potential.
But my point was - how many people have the intestinal fortitude to stand toe to toe with the FBI? I'm sure he has had practice with dealing with Jony Ives, the 'design before function' guy.
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> On Mar 30, 2016, at 06:37, Villano, Paul A CIV USARMY TRADOC (US) <email@hidden> wrote:
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> I don't think the latest "event" showed Tim handles anything, but himself. No innovation ("look! A pretty band! A smaller form factor for a 10-year-old product!...Wait...That IS the 10-year-old form factor...
> ) and making noise like a lion coming from a mouse who now has lost his cheese and credibility, probably through a simple phone clone.
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> The answer to "Who else needs to know?" is always "Villano! The KMO!"
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> From: fed-talk-bounces+paul.a.villano.civ=email@hidden [mailto:fed-talk-bounces+paul.a.villano.civ=email@hidden] On Behalf Of William Cerniuk
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> Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [Fed-Talk] Definition of Mobile Device
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> Regardless of what side of the debate you are on, the positive part of this is the it shows that when the chips are down, Tim can handle a little pressure ( ‘a little', LOL).
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> Time is Short, and the Water Rises
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> 1 - given that Samsung Knox was storing crucial de-cryption information on Android in the clear probably means that the FBI didn’t have to ask… ;-)
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> On Mar 29, 2016, at 4:06 PM, Dave Schroeder <email@hidden < Caution-mailto:email@hidden > > wrote:
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> Yeah, I'm not overly concerned about this, from a standpoint of protection of our own devices.
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> This falls into the category of "whenever an attacker has physical access, all bets are off", combined with the fact that if you have a determined attacker going for a specific target, they're going to find a way in.
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> I think what people need to keep in mind is that to whatever extent criminals, nation-states, or hobbyist hackers are able to go after various things, we are in better shape with regard mobile devices now than we were (save not having them at all ;-).
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> On Mar 29, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Joel Peterson <email@hidden < Caution-mailto:email@hidden > > wrote:
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> From what I’ve read, the FBI cloned the NAND and copied it back; they would have unlimited unlock code attempts: Caution-http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=6015 < Caution-http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=6015 >
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> On 3/29/16, 12:31 PM, "fed-talk-bounces+joel=email@hidden on behalf of Marcus, Allan B" <fed-talk-bounces+joel=email@hidden on behalf of email@hidden> wrote:
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> Sounds like you are confusing “mobile” with “hand held”. Mobile device: it can operate on its own power when being moved. The idea being the if the device is intended to be be moved about, then it’s likely to leave the building and the data on that device needs to be protected.
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> From a policy perspective, I see no reason to distinguish between a hand help device and a larger device. If it’s a computer (and smartphones and tablets are) and it’s designed to be “mobile” (operate on its own power when being moved), then it’s worthy of mobile device policy.
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> Allan Marcus
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> On 1/26/16, 2:01 PM, "fed-talk-bounces+allan=email@hidden on behalf of William Cerniuk" <fed-talk-bounces+allan=email@hidden on behalf of email@hidden> wrote:
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> Anyone here have a solid definition of what a mobile device is that stands up to a contrast with, say, a laptop or very small high power desktop like a MacMini?
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> NIST defines Mobile Device like this: Caution-http://1.usa.gov/1HO4cWc give a good guide. Wikipedia adds in various characteristics Caution-http://bit.ly/1QqytBe . Dictionary.com has a pretty simple version Caution-http://bit.ly/1QqyFk5 but can be left under gross interpretation as to what can be held in the hand (singular). Lets face it, Andre the Giant could easily hold a MacBook Pro 15… can be defined as a mobile device because you *can* hold it in a hand? What about those Windows tablets that never made it from 2000 forward. Tablet, ok, but mobile device? When does a keyboard-optional laptop with a touch screen become a mobile device? A touch screen by itself certainly does not define “mobile device” ref the HP 27” Envy.
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> Is there something that is more of a solid definition that everyone agrees upon in the Govt or industry at large?
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