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Re: Auxiliary timecode and XML
by Helena Ju 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Hi Bruce, Cheers, Helena On Jul 17, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Bruce Sharpe wrote: It would be great to have it for media with timecode too. Example use case: a music video or a commercial with choreography that is shot as multiple takes on one camera. You want to use the media file time code for capturing purposes but an auxiliary time code not embedded in the media file for purposes of synchronization. Bruce -Michael Miller Andreas On 17.07.2008, at 06:53, Bruce Sharpe wrote: Is it supposed to work? Bruce _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/andreas.kiel%40spherico… _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/michaelmiller%40gmail.c… _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/hju%40apple.com This email sent to hju(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/bruce.sharpe%40gmail.com This email sent to bruce.sharpe(a)gmail.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… I hear you, but that one is much harder. Lots more edge cases. So it'll be more difficult to get in. Please write up a bug and send me the bug number. On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Helena Ju <hju(a)apple.com> wrote: Hi Michael, Andreas, Bruce, I hear you. Wes has also repeatedly asked for this one. For those of you asking, the reference bug number is 5519050. I would have the documentation changed, but I think instead, we'd really like to have the application let you change the timecode, at least for timecode-less media, right? No promises, but I'll bring it up again and mention that y'all were all asking. Thanks! -Helena On Jul 17, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Michael Miller wrote: We had the exact same problem here. I think either the featureset or the documentation must be misleading because this seems to be a common question. If an MOV doesn't have a TC track embedded is there any reason FCP can't just assign an arbitrary one to it based on what is in the XML? On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:03 AM, Andreas Kiel <andreas.kiel(a)spherico.com > wrote: No. It doesn't work. It's not possible to use XML to "overwrite" or create file data. I would like to add or modify auxililary timecode via XML, but am having no success. For example, if a clip has an auxiliary timecode value I export the clip to XML, edit the timecode value in the XML and re-import it. The new timecode values is ignored. This email sent to andreas.kiel(a)spherico.com This email sent to michaelmiller(a)gmail.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Auxiliary timecode and XML
by Bruce Sharpe 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

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Re: Auxiliary timecode and XML
by Michael Miller 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

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Re: Auxiliary timecode and XML
by Patrick Sheffield 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Domainkey-signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=PhsTAh+d/xj7uoUzLvWW3S+yfZRIbuQlxA+aTvCw4XnvvNhvSuCWmRb8iMZbnIlu; h=Received:Cc:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; p On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:03 AM, Andreas Kiel wrote: Andreas On 17.07.2008, at 06:53, Bruce Sharpe wrote: Is it supposed to work? Bruce _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/andreas.kiel%40spherico… _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/psheffield%40earthlink.… _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This is because the auxiliary timecode is stored in the QuickTime movie file... No. It doesn't work. It's not possible to use XML to "overwrite" or create file data. I would like to add or modify auxililary timecode via XML, but am having no success. For example, if a clip has an auxiliary timecode value I export the clip to XML, edit the timecode value in the XML and re-import it. The new timecode values is ignored. This email sent to andreas.kiel(a)spherico.com This email sent to psheffield(a)earthlink.net This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Auxiliary timecode and XML
by Helena Ju 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

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Re: Auxiliary timecode and XML
by Michael Miller 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

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Re: Auxiliary timecode and XML
by Andreas Kiel 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Andreas On 17.07.2008, at 06:53, Bruce Sharpe wrote: I would like to add or modify auxililary timecode via XML, but am having no success. For example, if a clip has an auxiliary timecode value I export the clip to XML, edit the timecode value in the XML and re-import it. The new timecode values is ignored. Is it supposed to work? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… No. It doesn't work. It's not possible to use XML to "overwrite" or create file data. Bruce _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/andreas.kiel% 40spherico.com This email sent to andreas.kiel(a)spherico.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Auxiliary timecode and XML
by Bruce Sharpe 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

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Re: FCSvr Database not running?
by Matthew McManus 17 Jul '08

17 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Ryan, - Matt On Jul 16, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Ryan Gallagher wrote: and on less dire topic... Is there a better way that I am completely overlooking? Thanks, Ryan _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/matt.m%40apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… For the first issue, contact AppleCare. They should be able to give you guidance with a database in this state. Or you can revert to a backed up database (you have set up regular backups of the db from the pref pane I hope?) As for the second, what you propose seems fine. See how it goes and let us know if you run into issues. Well I have a couple issues actually, the subject being the most pressing. I have been spending most of the day working on a series of subscriptions, watch folder, and xml read/write based automations. While I still havn't got the results I am looking for, at least everything was functioning. Then suddenly, with no warning, my subscriptions seemed to completely ignore anything they were subscribed to. Restarting the client and restarting the machine did not fix the problem. Finally I opened system preferences, stopped the server and then clicked start the server, and now it just tells me "There was an error communicating with the server...please start up the database server." I am unable to find any documentation or discussion on why this has happened and how I can fix it. As it stands, FCSvr does not parse the XML of a .motn project to map any file dependencies. Our workflow involves thousands of .motn files, and significantly less PSDs or TIFFs that may be referenced by any number of .motn files. My goal is to have automations in place that can detect modified children assets of the .motn and re- transcode any affected .motn file. Thus far the only theoretical solution I could come up with before my server died involved the following: 1)Subscribe to any modified PSDs or TIFFs and trigger an external script that parses the title of the modified file for the element that represents what .motn files that asset is associated with. 2)That external script then edits the FCSvr XMLs of any .motn files that contain said element in its name. 3)A Watcher looks for modified XMLs and then reads them, thereby updating the status of any .motn that needs to be re-encoded 4)A Subscription looks for .motn assets whose status has changed and responds with a copy+conversion. This email sent to matt.m(a)apple.com This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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FCSvr Database not running?
by Ryan Gallagher 16 Jul '08

16 Jul '08

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com and on less dire topic... Is there a better way that I am completely overlooking? Thanks, Ryan _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Well I have a couple issues actually, the subject being the most pressing. I have been spending most of the day working on a series of subscriptions, watch folder, and xml read/write based automations. While I still havn't got the results I am looking for, at least everything was functioning. Then suddenly, with no warning, my subscriptions seemed to completely ignore anything they were subscribed to. Restarting the client and restarting the machine did not fix the problem. Finally I opened system preferences, stopped the server and then clicked start the server, and now it just tells me "There was an error communicating with the server...please start up the database server." I am unable to find any documentation or discussion on why this has happened and how I can fix it. As it stands, FCSvr does not parse the XML of a .motn project to map any file dependencies. Our workflow involves thousands of .motn files, and significantly less PSDs or TIFFs that may be referenced by any number of .motn files. My goal is to have automations in place that can detect modified children assets of the .motn and re-transcode any affected .motn file. Thus far the only theoretical solution I could come up with before my server died involved the following: 1)Subscribe to any modified PSDs or TIFFs and trigger an external script that parses the title of the modified file for the element that represents what .motn files that asset is associated with. 2)That external script then edits the FCSvr XMLs of any .motn files that contain said element in its name. 3)A Watcher looks for modified XMLs and then reads them, thereby updating the status of any .motn that needs to be re-encoded 4)A Subscription looks for .motn assets whose status has changed and responds with a copy+conversion. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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