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Re: updating custom parameter value does not force render (FCP)
by Paul Miller 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 Okay I'll try that thanks! _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… On 6/27/2011 1:48 PM, Paul Schneider wrote: Final Cut 7 won't re-render in response to changes in hidden parameters. One way to work around this is to change a visible parameter, even if the parameter data doesn't really have anything to do with the UI. For example, you could attach some data to your "Options" button parameter, and change that when you need to re-render. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Out of office for a couple days
by Patrick Sheffield 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

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Re: updating custom parameter value does not force render (FCP)
by Paul Schneider 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com Final Cut 7 won't re-render in response to changes in hidden parameters. One way to work around this is to change a visible parameter, even if the parameter data doesn't really have anything to do with the UI. For example, you could attach some data to your "Options" button parameter, and change that when you need to re-render. On Jun 27, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Paul Miller wrote: > On 6/27/2011 12:44 PM, Garrick Meeker wrote: >> If you're doing this from a Cocoa event, are you using FxCustomParameterActionAPI startAction and endAction? If this happens during parameterChanged it should already be re-rendering, I think. > > Forgot to mention this is happening during a callback from a custom button control. But I am using the start/endAction calls of the CustomParameterActionAPI. > > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/pschneider%40apple.com > > This email sent to pschneider(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: updating custom parameter value does not force render (FCP)
by Paul Miller 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… On 6/27/2011 12:44 PM, Garrick Meeker wrote: If you're doing this from a Cocoa event, are you using FxCustomParameterActionAPI startAction and endAction? If this happens during parameterChanged it should already be re-rendering, I think. Forgot to mention this is happening during a callback from a custom button control. But I am using the start/endAction calls of the CustomParameterActionAPI. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Out of office for a couple days
by John F. Whitehead 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

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Re: updating custom parameter value does not force render (FCP)
by Garrick Meeker 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com If you're doing this from a Cocoa event, are you using FxCustomParameterActionAPI startAction and endAction? If this happens during parameterChanged it should already be re-rendering, I think. On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Paul Miller wrote: > Forgive the technical question about that obsolete product, but in FCP, I have hidden custom parameter that I stuff some NSData into in response to another control changing. If I only update the value of that one parameter, FCP does not re-render the effect. I have to twiddle another parameter or move the time bar to get it to update. > > Is there some other way to force a re-render in this instance? > _______________________________________________ > Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. > Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/garrick%40digitalanarch… > > This email sent to garrick(a)digitalanarchy.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: Custom parameters with kFxParameterFlag_CUSTOM_UI
by Andrew Mees 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

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updating custom parameter value does not force render (FCP)
by Paul Miller 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 Is there some other way to force a re-render in this instance? _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… Forgive the technical question about that obsolete product, but in FCP, I have hidden custom parameter that I stuff some NSData into in response to another control changing. If I only update the value of that one parameter, FCP does not re-render the effect. I have to twiddle another parameter or move the time bar to get it to update. This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FXPlug2 looks nice
by Paul Miller 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 At the very least, if a plugin has a hidden custom parameter (to which data is stored when another parameter is manipulated), will these at least come over into FCPX and work there if we don't explicitly "export" them? Yes. All your parameters are still there, they just don't all show up for the user. You will still get -parameterChanged: notifications for them and you can change them using the various parameter APIs. Okay, I think we can work with this. Maybe I can use a Checkbox or popup like you suggested earlier, in place of my custom button(s). _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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Re: FXPlug2 looks nice
by Darrin Cardani 27 Jun '11

27 Jun '11

site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com Delivered-To: pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Paul Miller wrote: >> On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Paul Miller wrote: >> >>> On 6/21/2011 8:41 PM, Colin McFadden wrote: >>>> Amid the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments… FXPlug2 looks pretty nice. Seems to address a number of requests that have been made over the years. Thanks Darrin et al! >>> >>> Unfortunately, with no way to expose custom parameters in a Motion rig, there is no way to do custom controls, such as those needed to open a preset browser or special user interface. >>> >>> Anyone know of any way around this? >> >> Instead of making a preset browser, what about the possibility of just making those presets into Final Cut Effects? That way they show up in the effect browser without the user even needing to apply them! And you can group them together using both groups and themes. > > I thought you might suggest that - but we've already spent hundreds of hours fine-tuning a large set of presets, and developed a nice browser (which works in Final Cut Pro) to select them. Further, some of the internal details of some of the presets are hand-coded in an XML file and stored in a hidden custom parameter. > > If only we had been told earlier about the limitations in the new API. Not for lack of asking though! > > At the very least, if a plugin has a hidden custom parameter (to which data is stored when another parameter is manipulated), will these at least come over into FCPX and work there if we don't explicitly "export" them? Yes. All your parameters are still there, they just don't all show up for the user. You will still get -parameterChanged: notifications for them and you can change them using the various parameter APIs. Darrin -- Darrin Cardani dcardani(a)apple.com _______________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. They will be ignored. Pro-apps-dev mailing list (Pro-apps-dev(a)lists.apple.com) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: http://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/pro-apps-dev/site_archiver%40lists.a… This email sent to site_archiver(a)lists.apple.com

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