Re: URLAccess Stalls
Re: URLAccess Stalls
- Subject: Re: URLAccess Stalls
- From: email@hidden
- Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:54:46 -0700
On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Marc Krochmal wrote:
On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:59 AM, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote:
On 13.12.2005 00:49, "email@hidden" <email@hidden> wrote:
I am pretty much done, except for the fact that URLAccess
stalls at random times!
This is how URLAccess broke for us in Tiger (worked fine in 10.3).
I have had a CFHTTP-based replacement ready by that time, but I
agree with
your rant wholeheartedly. And could add to it, but it's offtopic :)
We've been telling people to stop using URLAccess since 2002. Your
life will be much easier if you use CFHTTPStream instead, or even
better, use NSURLDownload. URLAccess could not be more dead.
-Marc
Well that stinks. I'm going to go on an off topic rant for a second
so humor me I guess :-P I think the reason the internet can be so
frustrating is that the basic infrastructure still is not in place in
(gasp) 2005. Sockets are a disaster and require a lifetime of
learning to get even the most basic functionality or reliability.
FTP stalls all of the time, and I have yet to use a client that
properly threads requests, does retries, synchs files, etc. The
closest was Retrospect, but there should really be a free client out
there that does this (perhaps from the Finder?). Safari suffers
terribly from the original design flaw of nearly all web browsers,
namely blocking IO (beach-ball cursors galore), and will likely never
be fixed. File sharing is a dog, especially if you put a computer to
sleep in the middle of something, although it has gotten far better
in 10.4. SMB is a dog, and I don't expect it to really improve much,
since it's not a KISS technology like FTP to me. I remember when I
first saw Apache and HTML in 1995 and I thought "surely it can't be
like this", but it was, so the progress since has been tainted with
that micromanagement philosophy (vs a R.A.D. environment like
HyperCard). NetSprocket/OpenPlay is close to what a protocol "should
be" but it has not progressed as much as it deserves to, because most
of the superhuman effort by the open source people has been to get it
to a level comparable to Apple's version 10 years ago. The only
decent chat apps are iChat and Skype, but only barely, if you don't
count audio skips. I can go on an on. I think Apple has an
opportunity here to fix the Tower of Babel, but letting a core
protocol like URLAccess slip is not a good start. I was okay with
letting the Display Manager slip away, because it was always a dog,
and luckily RezLib came along and showed us all how managing displays
should have always been. If Apple wants to do something like that
with NSURL and CFHTTPStream, more power to them. But I don't
consider URLAccess a dog. It's actually pretty good at what it does,
and it seems that letting it slip was a political decision. Apple
has a responsibility to actively work on libraries, even when they
are deprecated, to ensure basic functionality and compatibility for
existing apps. What makes me so uncomfortable about this is that we
as developers have no say in what technologies Apple deems unworthy.
Apple pulled the plug on us when they dropped 8 bit window support in
OS X, and there are ways around that now like OpenGL, but at the
time, we felt abandoned and it took a year's work to recover. I just
hope that we have some kind of promise that just because an API is
PowerPC or c based, it won't be indiscriminately dropped in the
transition to Intel. I don't want to live in a world where the only
APIs are objective-c in xcode, no matter what the benefits are.
Apple needs to promise us this, loud and clear, like Googles "don't
be evil", or the move will be suspect. I just really cannot
emphasize this enough. Thanx,
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