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Re: URLAccess Stalls


  • Subject: Re: URLAccess Stalls
  • From: email@hidden
  • Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:54:46 -0700

On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:20 PM, Marc Krochmal wrote:


On Dec 13, 2005, at 1:59 AM, Alexey Proskuryakov wrote:

On 13.12.2005 00:49, "email@hidden" <email@hidden> wrote:

I am pretty much done, except for the fact that URLAccess
stalls at random times!

This is how URLAccess broke for us in Tiger (worked fine in 10.3).

I have had a CFHTTP-based replacement ready by that time, but I agree with
your rant wholeheartedly. And could add to it, but it's offtopic :)

We've been telling people to stop using URLAccess since 2002. Your life will be much easier if you use CFHTTPStream instead, or even better, use NSURLDownload. URLAccess could not be more dead.


-Marc

Well that stinks. I'm going to go on an off topic rant for a second so humor me I guess :-P I think the reason the internet can be so frustrating is that the basic infrastructure still is not in place in (gasp) 2005. Sockets are a disaster and require a lifetime of learning to get even the most basic functionality or reliability. FTP stalls all of the time, and I have yet to use a client that properly threads requests, does retries, synchs files, etc. The closest was Retrospect, but there should really be a free client out there that does this (perhaps from the Finder?). Safari suffers terribly from the original design flaw of nearly all web browsers, namely blocking IO (beach-ball cursors galore), and will likely never be fixed. File sharing is a dog, especially if you put a computer to sleep in the middle of something, although it has gotten far better in 10.4. SMB is a dog, and I don't expect it to really improve much, since it's not a KISS technology like FTP to me. I remember when I first saw Apache and HTML in 1995 and I thought "surely it can't be like this", but it was, so the progress since has been tainted with that micromanagement philosophy (vs a R.A.D. environment like HyperCard). NetSprocket/OpenPlay is close to what a protocol "should be" but it has not progressed as much as it deserves to, because most of the superhuman effort by the open source people has been to get it to a level comparable to Apple's version 10 years ago. The only decent chat apps are iChat and Skype, but only barely, if you don't count audio skips. I can go on an on. I think Apple has an opportunity here to fix the Tower of Babel, but letting a core protocol like URLAccess slip is not a good start. I was okay with letting the Display Manager slip away, because it was always a dog, and luckily RezLib came along and showed us all how managing displays should have always been. If Apple wants to do something like that with NSURL and CFHTTPStream, more power to them. But I don't consider URLAccess a dog. It's actually pretty good at what it does, and it seems that letting it slip was a political decision. Apple has a responsibility to actively work on libraries, even when they are deprecated, to ensure basic functionality and compatibility for existing apps. What makes me so uncomfortable about this is that we as developers have no say in what technologies Apple deems unworthy. Apple pulled the plug on us when they dropped 8 bit window support in OS X, and there are ways around that now like OpenGL, but at the time, we felt abandoned and it took a year's work to recover. I just hope that we have some kind of promise that just because an API is PowerPC or c based, it won't be indiscriminately dropped in the transition to Intel. I don't want to live in a world where the only APIs are objective-c in xcode, no matter what the benefits are. Apple needs to promise us this, loud and clear, like Googles "don't be evil", or the move will be suspect. I just really cannot emphasize this enough. Thanx,


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If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man
  as it is, infinite. -William Blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

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