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Re: NAT-PMP not honoring requested external port


  • Subject: Re: NAT-PMP not honoring requested external port
  • From: james woodyatt <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:28:14 -0700

On Jun 11, 2008, at 16:52, Jens Alfke wrote:
On 11 Jun '08, at 1:45 PM, Duane Murphy wrote:

At that point, it sounds like you've just about reinvented STUN <http://
www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3489.txt>.

No, this is not like STUN. I'm not using UDP, and I'm not trying to poke a hole through the NAT. This all runs over TCP sockets, and I'm using NAT-PMP or UPnP to ask the NAT to open a port.

I think what Mr. Murphy meant to say was that you're well on your way toward reinventing TURN for TCP <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-behave-turn-tcp >.


If you want to know what I'm doing, this blog post is a good place to start:
http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2008/04/cloudy-networking/
although the series begins a few posts earlier:
http://mooseyard.com/Jens/2008/04/cloudy-as-buzzwords/

I would add that it looks like you might be trying to reinvent both APEX [RFC 3340-3343] and SACRED [RFC 3760]. Good luck with that.


The catch is if both ends are behind NAT firewalls, you'll need a non-
NAT service that can be used to kickoff the NAT port acquisition.

No, I just ask the NAT to open a port for me. (I am willing to sacrifice compatibility with NATs that don't support this; these days, most of them seem to. I'd rather not mess with stuff like STUN or Bryan Ford's TCP-compatible hole-punching technique.)

It won't work for peers behind Comcast's NAT464, which they're now applying unilaterally to selected victims in North America with plans to "upgrade" everyone in two years.



-- james woodyatt <email@hidden> member of technical staff, communications engineering


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