[Rockies-Edu] Re: Rockies-edu Digest, Vol 23, Issue 3
[Rockies-Edu] Re: Rockies-edu Digest, Vol 23, Issue 3
- Subject: [Rockies-Edu] Re: Rockies-edu Digest, Vol 23, Issue 3
- From: Joe Thomas <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 13:48:50 -0700
Glen,
At The Colorado Springs School we are running two Windows2003 servers and a 10.5 Leopard
server on the same subnet. The windows servers handle DHCP, DNS and WINS
as well as Active Directory. The Mac server has AFP, OD, SMB and VPN
running. I was familiar with managing DHCP and DNS on a Windows server
and I like the fact that our two windows servers can share those duties,
so I haven't tried to use a Mac for those service.
At CSS the Mac Open Directory is tied to the data in the windows AD
list. Mac workstations can log in to the OD but the user list is managed
in the windows AD. When we looked into setting up server based home
folders for students using a Mac computer lab, this OD/AD setup was
recommended by our local consultant, Voelker Research, as well as the
Apple Engineers I met at a recent seminar on OD/AD.
The Colorado Springs School
Joe Thomas, Technology Manager
21 Broadmoor Ave. Colorado Springs, CO 80906
W: (719)434-3582, Learn more at
www.css.org
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Today's Topics:
1. Snow Leopard Server and Windows Server 2008 (Glen Worthing)
2. Re: Snow Leopard Server and Windows Server 2008
(Michael T. Scott)
3. Re: Snow Leopard Server and Windows Server 2008 (Glen Worthing)
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 08:44:56 -0700
From: Glen Worthing <email@hidden>
Subject: [Rockies-Edu] Snow Leopard Server and Windows Server 2008
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Hi everyone,
Question on "best practice" and/or what you have found to work well in you environment when having a Mac OSX Snow Leopard Server and a Microsoft Windows 2008R2 Server running on the same subnet.
On the Snow Leopard Server, I am running the following services: AFP, DHCP, DNS, FTP, iCal, NetBoot, NFS, Open Directory, Podcast Producer, SMB, Software Update, Web, Xgrid
On the Windows 2008R2 Server, I am running the following services: AD Domain Services, DNS, File Services, Print and Document Services, Web Server (IIS)
I know there is some overlap, but am not sure what server is the best server to run the services from. For instance, would you run DNS on the Mac Server or the Windows Server for a mixed environment? Would you run OD and AD, or just one or the other? Would you actually not have these on the same subnet but split them off via VLANs and then run all the services from both servers?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.
Glen Worthing: Director of Technology and Communication at St. Anne's Episcopal School
contact | email@hidden | phone 303-756-9481 x222 | fax 303-756-5512
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Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 09:46:16 -0700
From: "Michael T. Scott" <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Rockies-Edu] Snow Leopard Server and Windows Server 2008
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Hey Glenn,
Good questions. I think the answers depend on your resources and management goals.
What are the specs on these servers, and are you anywhere near capacity in terms of storage, processing or network throughput?
What is your mix of clients?
Where there is crossover (DNS, Web), are there features on one server that you don't get on the other and that is why there is crossover?
In general I would recommend the DNS and DHCP servers be the same platform for management sake.
Many districts see value in having a single directory. You could certainly have AD be the single authoritative directory, and have all file sharing be based out of the OS X server. You could have the Windows Server provide AD as well as file storage.
Talk more about your client base, your overhead, your educational goals, and your management expectations. Then we can talk about "best practices".
-Mike
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On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Glen Worthing wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Question on "best practice" and/or what you have found to work well in you environment when having a Mac OSX Snow Leopard Server and a Microsoft Windows 2008R2 Server running on the same subnet.
>
> On the Snow Leopard Server, I am running the following services: AFP, DHCP, DNS, FTP, iCal, NetBoot, NFS, Open Directory, Podcast Producer, SMB, Software Update, Web, Xgrid
>
> On the Windows 2008R2 Server, I am running the following services: AD Domain Services, DNS, File Services, Print and Document Services, Web Server (IIS)
>
> I know there is some overlap, but am not sure what server is the best server to run the services from. For instance, would you run DNS on the Mac Server or the Windows Server for a mixed environment? Would you run OD and AD, or just one or the other? Would you actually not have these on the same subnet but split them off via VLANs and then run all the services from both servers?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.
>
>
> Glen Worthing: Director of Technology and Communication at St. Anne's Episcopal School
>
> contact | email@hidden | phone 303-756-9481 x222 | fax 303-756-5512
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Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 10:09:16 -0700
From: Glen Worthing <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Rockies-Edu] Snow Leopard Server and Windows Server 2008
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Thanks Michael,
To answer your questions, on the Apple Server, I am running Snow Leopard on an XServ with 2 x 2.8 Ghz Quad-Core Intel Xeon and 20 GB of RAM. I have 3 TB of HD space on the server and it's attached to via a 4GB Fiber Channel to a Promise VTrak RAID with another 2 RAID setups with 3TB capacity on each [total of 9TB available]. The Windows Server is not as robust as the Mac Server. It is running Server 2008R2 Enterprise on a Intel Xeon dual processors at 3.17 Ghz, 16GB of Ram, 64-Bit, and a RAID with 273GB total of space.
Client mix would be, out of 200 clients, 5% are running Windows XP - 7 and 95% are Mac's running 10.5 or higher [soon to add iOS devices to the mix]
We are currently receiving DNS errors on the PC side which prompted this question. Maybe it OK to have 2 DNS servers, but when working through DHCP [on the Mac Server], the PC's seem to work better if I hard set there DNS to the Windows server instead of giving them a choice to go to the Windows Server or the Mac Server for DNS. There are no other crossovers at the current time that I am aware of. All Apple clients are managed through the Mac Server and the PC clients are managed through the Windows server. AD and OD are not 'attached' in any way right now.
I am generally a one-man show around here when it comes to overhead and management expectations. I like to 'keep-it-simple' for sure. In addition, I like to keep this running as fast as possible for our community and therefore want to make sure the setup is left to what is best for each client. The clients mostly run through network logins and therefore the load times have to be as fast as possible.
Thank you so much for your quick response to my question. Any guidance is greatly appreciated.
-Glen
Glen Worthing: Director of Technology and Communication at St. Anne's Episcopal School
contact | email@hidden | phone 303-756-9481 x222 | fax 303-756-5512
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On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Michael T. Scott wrote:
Hey Glenn,
Good questions. I think the answers depend on your resources and management goals.
What are the specs on these servers, and are you anywhere near capacity in terms of storage, processing or network throughput?
What is your mix of clients?
Where there is crossover (DNS, Web), are there features on one server that you don't get on the other and that is why there is crossover?
In general I would recommend the DNS and DHCP servers be the same platform for management sake.
Many districts see value in having a single directory. You could certainly have AD be the single authoritative directory, and have all file sharing be based out of the OS X server. You could have the Windows Server provide AD as well as file storage.
Talk more about your client base, your overhead, your educational goals, and your management expectations. Then we can talk about "best practices".
-Mike
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Michael T. Scott, ACSA
Apple, Inc.
K12 Education Systems Engineer, Colorado.
(720) 346-3871
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On Jan 6, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Glen Worthing wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Question on "best practice" and/or what you have found to work well in you environment when having a Mac OSX Snow Leopard Server and a Microsoft Windows 2008R2 Server running on the same subnet.
>
> On the Snow Leopard Server, I am running the following services: AFP, DHCP, DNS, FTP, iCal, NetBoot, NFS, Open Directory, Podcast Producer, SMB, Software Update, Web, Xgrid
>
> On the Windows 2008R2 Server, I am running the following services: AD Domain Services, DNS, File Services, Print and Document Services, Web Server (IIS)
>
> I know there is some overlap, but am not sure what server is the best server to run the services from. For instance, would you run DNS on the Mac Server or the Windows Server for a mixed environment? Would you run OD and AD, or just one or the other? Would you actually not have these on the same subnet but split them off via VLANs and then run all the services from both servers?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.
>
>
> Glen Worthing: Director of Technology and Communication at St. Anne's Episcopal School
>
> contact | email@hidden | phone 303-756-9481 x222 | fax 303-756-5512
>
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