Re: direct re: Re: WOForm and java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException is this solved?
Re: direct re: Re: WOForm and java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException is this solved?
- Subject: Re: direct re: Re: WOForm and java.lang.IndexOutOfBoundsException is this solved?
- From: Jonathan Rochkind <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:23:18 -0600
At 06:02 PM 3/17/2003 +0000, Patrick Middleton wrote:
component?" If the Apple engineers built something that they thought
worked, but which had all sorts of flaws that got found as soon as
people started using it, then that's our fault for not being better
beta testers.
You're kidding, right?
I didn't beta test the thing myself; I think I did get an offer to from
Apple, but this isn't even something available to everyone, it's something
they only offer to some people. I just didn't have time to deal with it.
Regardless, when new software comes out, I shouldn't have to have beta
tested it first to be sure it worked. We are the ones paying THEM for
software. It is not OUR responsibility to find the bugs. This ain't open
source here.
If Apple wants me to do QA for them instead of actually hiring their own
developers to do it, I can send them a contract with an hourly rate in it.
That said, as developers of course we know that bugs happen. And of course
I report WO bugs when I find them, in hopes that they will get fixed,
because it will do me good. I am not expecting flawless software, it
doesn't exist. I am expecting that the sorts of bugs that a developer runs
into in a very usual situation won't have been let out the door in released
software. If Apple's QA and bug-catching processes let such immediately
apparent bugs out the door, that's a problem I can be legitimately
frustrated about. If Apple's entire QA process consists of unpaid volunteer
beta testers, that's a real big problem, not least because it seems to
result in such bugs getting out the door. That's not the fault of volunteer
unpaid developer beta testers not doing a good enough "job".
--Jonathan
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