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Re: Rép : WebObjects and Panther
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Re: Rép : WebObjects and Panther


  • Subject: Re: Rép : WebObjects and Panther
  • From: steve stout <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 03:21:40 -0700

Ok. So we've all heard the bitching about Apple not letting people know about future products and whether or not WO will be around in 5 years... or next year for that matter.

But here's why I stopped worrying and learned to love the 'bomb'...

WO/EOF is the app server I know and enjoy using. It does it for me right now. I will eventually learn something else, but right now I don't need to. The current release of WO is mostly bug free and works. If Apple just killed WO right now it wouldn't matter, my license isn't going to suddenly stop working. But I really don't think Apple is going to just kill it off. It's being used too much in-house (iTMS, Apple Store, .mac, etc.)

If you're worried about price... Panther will ship with 5.2 deployment. It's most likely to stay that way until 10.4 or whatever. 10.2 kept the WO5.1 bundled deployment as far as I know. So buy Panther and get the free deployment licenses. If another version of WO comes out that costs you money you'll most likely still get the free deployment license again. So all you'll need to buy is a copy of WO for each developer. And unless you have more servers than developers you shouldn't have a problem.

Of course if you don't already have 5.2, then that's a little different. And I might suggest to wait until a new version is announced. Do you really need to upgrade to 5.2 today?

./steve



On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 01:28  AM, DevReseune wrote:

I have no news but many questions! It's very difficult to start new WO project today because we have no information about the futur:
- when the next release will be launch?
- what about the next release?
- what about JBoss? (we want EOF no EJB!)
- what about Tomcat? (we want WOComponant and not JSP!)
- what about Cocoa (we want Cocoa frameworks and not JDK API as Collection or Swing!)
- what about Java Client (kill swing, we want a java Cocoa!)



Think about financial manager and how you will justify the purchase, for the same project, of two licenses per server for the same product! "Yes, we started with 5.1, and we bought Panther (with 5.2, and so you buy a developer version of WO as well), but just 2 weeks after, because we didn't know when the next release was going to be launched, we bought WO 5.3". My financial manager said me: "be careful! We are not a startup!".

So, don't buy Panther Server now if you have WO and don't want to pay a WO deployment license for each server! Wait the next release. But, Jaguar Server had WO 5.1 and not 5.2... So, today, if you want to use 5.2, you have to buy Jaguar Server AND WO 5.2 per server. Perhaps it will be similar with Panther?

Fridiric


Le jeudi, 9 oct 2003, ` 00:00 Europe/Paris, Anjo Krank a icrit :

Am Mittwoch, 08.10.03 um 22:43 Uhr schrieb Colin O'Brien:

5.2 is obviously better than 5.0, but it doesn't alter the basic question
- is the next WO release going to be something like 5.2.2 (presumably free)

chuckle...

or more like 5.3 or even 6.0 (presumably fee)?

bruahahaha:)

No, I don't have any specifics, but I would simply guess from that there have been no updates for about 10 month that the next one will not be a 0.0.x update and that 0.x or even more x.0 updates haven't been free for a really long time, that you will need to buy new licenses. Depending on what you have (thousands of appservers or whatever) you will be well advised to talk to your apple sales guy when the time arises...

Cheers, Anjo
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