Re: Anything new on the Horizon of Webobjects
Re: Anything new on the Horizon of Webobjects
- Subject: Re: Anything new on the Horizon of Webobjects
- From: Bob McCormick <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:23:03 -0800
Hi James,
I'm new to WO, but I can tell you that from what I've seen, WO has what
it appears everyone is trying to develop to.
If you look at ASP.net with it's 'Code-Behind' technology - gee, that
kinda looks like WO having an HTML bundle with an associate Java file.
hmmm.
If you look at Tapestry, LOTS of similarities. Should be, the author
has acknowledged many times that he patterned much of his original
design after WO, and of course didn't include some things as he didn't
agree with their implemention. Tapestry is basically another WO, only
not nearly as mature. Now having been accepted by Jakarta, it will
probably eclipse Struts and become one of the primary OpenSource
development patterns I think. I believe that it certainly has the
potential to overtake WO, but then Apple may be holding something in
the wings. Haven't a clue however - wish Apple would discover the
concept of Road Maps.
It originally really bothered me that Apple added this 'ability' to run
a WO application on JBoss until it finally hit me that what they are
doing is effectively giving up on the Web Application Server wars.
They are NEVER gonna catch BEA, Websphere or any other well known
AppServer. By allowing you to do your development using WO (which
saves you TONS of time) yet provide the ability to deploy to a Java
Container/Server, they are providing for developers to build
applications that can be commercial in nature and not REQUIRE that you
purchase a WO deployment license. In other words, you not longer HAVE
to run a WO application on WO. That's major if we consider that
commercial based applications can now be written and deployed without
having all of these expensive application servers like BEA or Websphere
folded into the price of the application. This means that developers
can created completely web based/enabled applications and sell them for
$99 a copy if they so desire. Of course, I may be all wet behind the
ears on this particular. Maybe Apple is just meeting all of the buzz
words to maintain at least the concept that WO is still in the game.
Who knows, maybe this suble marketing is keeping WO alive and well. I
personally think that as more developers look over OSX as a viable
development platform, they will by default have a look at WO and it a
try. There's where the hook is set. Add the ability to run on JBoss -
well that's just too good to be true, I can save on the budget big time
if I'm not running XServes with free deployment licenses. I also
wouldn't be at all surprised if Sun and Apple are in some kind of
future mutual back patting - time will tell.
Best regards...Bob
On Oct 28, 2003, at 8:07 AM, James Hays wrote:
This question may have been asked before, and if it has, please point
me to the responses gathered from it. But, other than this list, I
have seen very little drive for web objects? Is this a dieing
technology? Is it being replaced? Apple makes very little reference
to it in their training and WWDC makes it seem like it died 3 years
ago. All other technologies are up beat saying, this is what we are
doing. Webobjects presentations are, this is what we've done.
I'm at a crucial junction in my decision making. .Net is not an
option, Struts sucks, and Tapestry looks very good. My current debate
is between a Tapestry/Hibernate model or going with WebObjects. I
would like to know what kind of work is being done for the future of
webobjects and what will drive it into the future?
Thanks.
James
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