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Re: Overriding pageWithName
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Re: Overriding pageWithName


  • Subject: Re: Overriding pageWithName
  • From: Jonathan Rochkind <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:01:16 -0600

At 6:00 PM -0500 1/20/04, arturo wrote:
I just reread David Neumann's WebObject and Security pdf from WWDC 2000.
His advice (override WOComponent.appendToResponse and
WODirectAction.performActionNamed()) don't seem secure enough to me.  That
is, using his method, in order to remove the security from a secure
WOComponent you just need to re-override appendToResponse.

Um, right, because his security is meant to be security against the _user_, not against other developers. A user can't "re-override" anything, the user doesn't have access to the source code (in a web application, anyway).


I mean, doesn't the same thing apply to putting 'security' in WOApplication.pageWithName? To remove the security, you just need to re-override WOApplication.pageWithName. I mean, if another _developer_, who has access to your source code, is who you are worried about---I'm not sure what the heck you could possibly do. But it's outside the scope of the sort of security Neumann was talking about, which was directed at users (or attackers), not against developers.

I suppose you could declare a class 'final' in Java to prevent it from being subclassed, but of course if the developer has access to the source code he can just change that decleration anyway, or change the original code. But I'm unfamiliar with the sort of thing you are trying to do, so I guess I don't have much useful advice to provide. [Is that really what JAAS is intended for? I had never heard of it before, but looking it up on Sun's site, it seems to me to not be directed at security of your source code, like you seem to be talking about]. But much of what Neumann had to say may not apply, he was definitely focused on providing security, assuming you have control of the app's source code.

--Jonathan


So, to me, what I'd like to do is JAAS-ify pageWithName.  But I firmly
believe that the responsibility for securing a component should be up to the
WOComponent.  This makes it more useful in that I can add secure components
to an already existing application.  So I don't want to subclass
WOApplication.

Perhaps I should just stick to JAAS-ifying the constructor.  But that falls
afoul of stateless components.

Well, I can ramble quite a bit about this.  But, to my mind, the trick is to
make a non-overrideable method that does the accesscontroller
checkpermission call.  Without reducing the flexibility of WO (that is, I
can make appendToResponse()
final but that would make it useless).

-arturo
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