Re: Any WWDC News
Re: Any WWDC News
- Subject: Re: Any WWDC News
- From: Michael Engelhart <email@hidden>
- Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:09:22 -0500
On Jun 30, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Trae Nickelson wrote:
Here I'll disagree with you. I think this is THE pivotal issue facing
WebObjects and all of us on this list today. Learning WebObjects
should never have become one of "the wrong choices" for a career, yet
in many ways it has. Not your fault at all.
Trae, I'm sorry to say this but I think this is a bunch of bologna.
It's not Apple's job (or any other company or person for that matter)
to provide you or anyone else with job security, happiness or wealth.
You've been talking like Apple owes you and every other WO developer
something. They don't. Now that's not to say that I'm not pissed
off that they haven't updated WOBuilder or fixed the silly interface
bugs in EOModeler. Those are things I expect them to do and I'm ticked
off to no end that they haven't. But I don't "expect" that by
learning their framework I'm going to find fortune and fame. No
technology does that for anyone.
Apple puts software and hardware out there. Some people choose to
use them for various strategic/personal reasons. SOme don't. It's
not like all WO developers are losing their jobs tomorrow because there
wasn't an announcement at WWDC. I don't think there's been much
movement in the C development world and there's tons of high paying
work out there for good C programmers. WebObjects is a framework to
build a specific kind of application and it does that well. I
personally have never rested on my laurels thinking that for my whole
career I only need to be proficient at WO or C or Python or any of the
other tools I use in my day to day work. I can go out and quit my job
tomorrow and get a high paying J2EE or plain old Java application
programming job. I was never sent to J2EE training but I spent
countless hours learning and developing in that framework to both
compare/contrast it to other enterprise technologies as well as to have
a clear understanding of how to work within that world if my WebObjects
choices don't work out or I decide J2EE provides my company something
that WO doesn't provide or if it just leaps past it in terms of
functionality, productivity, etc. Right now it's not even close.
Again, I feel your frustration but I think you're blaming Apple for the
wrong things. You said several times that you're not upset that they
haven't updated the tools but that they haven't marketed WO. They
NEVER marketed WO. You've been doing this for 6 years... what made you
think Monday would have been different?
BTW, it may behoove anyone curious about this to look through the Omni
group mailing lists regarding this topic. It seems that every year at
least there is a long thread about the death of WO and people jumping
ship. This goes back to version 4.0 so it's not new idea.
Mike
On Jun 30, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Trae Nickelson wrote:
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