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Re: Any WWDC News


  • Subject: Re: Any WWDC News
  • From: Michael Engelhart <email@hidden>
  • Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 09:09:22 -0500

On Jun 30, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Trae Nickelson wrote:

Here I'll disagree with you. I think this is THE pivotal issue facing WebObjects and all of us on this list today. Learning WebObjects should never have become one of "the wrong choices" for a career, yet in many ways it has. Not your fault at all.

Trae, I'm sorry to say this but I think this is a bunch of bologna. It's not Apple's job (or any other company or person for that matter) to provide you or anyone else with job security, happiness or wealth. You've been talking like Apple owes you and every other WO developer something. They don't. Now that's not to say that I'm not pissed off that they haven't updated WOBuilder or fixed the silly interface bugs in EOModeler. Those are things I expect them to do and I'm ticked off to no end that they haven't. But I don't "expect" that by learning their framework I'm going to find fortune and fame. No technology does that for anyone.


Apple puts software and hardware out there. Some people choose to use them for various strategic/personal reasons. SOme don't. It's not like all WO developers are losing their jobs tomorrow because there wasn't an announcement at WWDC. I don't think there's been much movement in the C development world and there's tons of high paying work out there for good C programmers. WebObjects is a framework to build a specific kind of application and it does that well. I personally have never rested on my laurels thinking that for my whole career I only need to be proficient at WO or C or Python or any of the other tools I use in my day to day work. I can go out and quit my job tomorrow and get a high paying J2EE or plain old Java application programming job. I was never sent to J2EE training but I spent countless hours learning and developing in that framework to both compare/contrast it to other enterprise technologies as well as to have a clear understanding of how to work within that world if my WebObjects choices don't work out or I decide J2EE provides my company something that WO doesn't provide or if it just leaps past it in terms of functionality, productivity, etc. Right now it's not even close.

Again, I feel your frustration but I think you're blaming Apple for the wrong things. You said several times that you're not upset that they haven't updated the tools but that they haven't marketed WO. They NEVER marketed WO. You've been doing this for 6 years... what made you think Monday would have been different?

BTW, it may behoove anyone curious about this to look through the Omni group mailing lists regarding this topic. It seems that every year at least there is a long thread about the death of WO and people jumping ship. This goes back to version 4.0 so it's not new idea.

Mike
On Jun 30, 2004, at 10:18 PM, Trae Nickelson wrote:
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