Re: Spring Frameworks
Re: Spring Frameworks
- Subject: Re: Spring Frameworks
- From: "Ricardo Cortes" <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2005 15:53:43 -0400
- Organization: Bolt
Hibernate 3.0.1 seems to be buggier than 2.1.2 (we just migrated) as we
can't do things we used to do in 2.1.2. The biggest problem I have with
Hibernate is it's lack of transparent faulting. The Hibernate team is
so damn devout on their product (i.e. Gavin Smith has got way too big of
a head) that they defend their design decision around database
connection management to the grave. EOF does it right. Relationships
are faulted in when they need to be and you can batch fault as much as
you want. Cayenne would definitely be my choice if I had to do it all
over again. Tapestry too.
On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 19:59 +0100, Geoff Hopson wrote:
> We looked at Spring where I work and decided that, although it was a
> good framework, it tries to do too much. It has a lot of stuff where
> it has 'swallowed' other open source frameworks like Quartz, and it
> took a lot of setting up to get it just right. But, it has a lot of
> stuff. If you want all that, go for it. Too much baggage for me.
>
> In the end we went with HiveMind, used Hibernate for the ORM and
> Tapestry for the web layer. Hibernate and Tapestry work nicely with
> Spring too. HiveMind is the main difference. We wanted a simple
> service manager, which is what we got with HiveMind, with the added
> bonus of none of the extra Spring baggage.
>
> None of it can shake a stick at WO tho, IMHO.
>
> If I had to go open source right now, I would look at Cayenne,
> HiveMind and Click (we just downloaded Click as an alternative to
> Tapestry - much lighter, less complex). Hibernate is OK - think
> EOAccess. Cayenne gives you some EOControl stuff and a modeler app.
> HiveMind gives you a nice service/component layer to glue various
> services together and find them easily (eg a candidate service might
> be a CustomerManager, UserManager or something). And for
> GUI...Tapestry has a bunch of stuff, components etc., but I'm
> struggling with some of the design decisions that are in place (eg
> rewinding pages). Click (http://click.sourceforge.net) is very
> lightweight (deliberately so). I like Click for simple CRUD stuff. Be
> interesting to see how it scales...
>
> Geoff
>
>
> On 06/07/05, Gino Pacitti <email@hidden> wrote:
> > Hi All
> >
> > Does anyone have any thoughts or experiences with Spring Frameworks.
> >
> > I had a long chat today with another developer who sang its praises??
> >
> > Gino
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