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Re: WOBuilder Value
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Re: WOBuilder Value


  • Subject: Re: WOBuilder Value
  • From: "Clive Roberts" <email@hidden>
  • Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2006 13:44:31 +0100

I wish to support the sentiment of this email and make some observations:
 
1    many people think visually and WOBuilder enables them to express themselves quickly to frame their work - either for prototyping, demonstrations or otherwise.  Furthermore, for an old person like me, the visual cues are a replacement for poor memory!  Whether a WO replacement is devised in the form of a Dreamweaver adjunct or smart tags or something else, it is essential that a WOBuilder replacement is planned.
    
2    one of the powers of WO is the range of tooling, that applies at all enterprise levels.  This range lets people work in their own way - we are not all the same (but we are all supporters of WO) and some are less gifted than others.
 
3    many on this mailgroup are clearly very bright, very supportive of others and very generous in contributing their time and efforts for the rest of us - we all know who they are!  Thank you all, this is another power of WebObjects, Apple gave the start, the passion comes from the group, long may it continue! 
 
For the record, I moved to WebObjects 5 some 4 years ago after directing two large J2EE projects and feeling the pain they cause.  I think WebObjects can benefit from an environment that better supports Java, as long as it continues to add the immense value inherent in its pedigree.
 
Clive
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy Rosenberg
To: email@hidden
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:08 AM
Subject: WOBuilder Value

I've been working on WebObjects for about two years and apprenticed closely with developers who had been on board since the Objective-C days.  The problem with losing the tools is that it takes WebObjects one step down and therefore closer to competing technologies.  I've always felt that the clear, graphical way WOBuilder helps me quickly design my application interface has given it a big boost in my mindshare.  If I am going to be editing HTML code then I am going to look at JSP2.0 and SpringMVC and like technologies to see what it has to offer that WebObjects doesn't.  I still think WO is the gold standard for developing Web applications but they've slid back towards the pack a little bit this week and that pack keeps improving.  Right now we have the most dedicated and talents members of the WO community throwing out everything from fabulous suggestions to irate diatribes.  But who is going to take the lead here?  We all have jobs to do, I work at a University and I would love to be able to throw the resources of the school behind an open source WOB but we are already several FTEs short and I can't imagine finding the time and resources to even help out.  

These are the things that concern me and I assume much of the developer community.  The direction of this technology seems to be swinging between unpredictable and doomed.  I'm going to be an optimist and say that the unpredictable will turn into positive growth and that the people in this community won't let such a truly fantastic technology die.  But I will feel a lot better when I see the road map that Apple has refused to provide come from somewhere else.

Jeremy

On 12-Aug-06, at 7:22 PM, email@hidden wrote:

For WebObjects to move forward without WOBuilder, we need a visually- 

oriented tool that does the three things I described above. I am sure  

that some people don't need it, but many people do. To say that only  

newbies and klutzes use WOBuilder is an insult to many experienced  

developers, and I believe it shows a focus on the narrow coding  

issues rather than the overall productivity.



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