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On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:03 PM, email@hidden wrote:

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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:26:28 -0400

From: David Sanchez <email@hidden>

Subject: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from

WWDC'06

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Hi!

I am new to WebObjects and new in the list. I decide to learn

WebObjects to get a wider understanding of technologies MVC. The

other MVC I know of is Oracle ADC trough JDeveloper, but due to

recent changes in licensing policies it has become too expensive for

small business solutions (5000 dollars and up just for ADC).

Welcome!

I think I got the worse time to learn WebObjects. All the tutorials

in the Apple Web Site are referring to deprecated apps like

EOModeler, and most of the books out there talk about them too.

I really do not know a good book for newbies, but once you get the basics, try the bible:

Chuck' & Shacha's

Practical WebObjects - for developers who want to increase their

overall knowledge of WebObjects or who are trying to solve specific

problems. http://www.global-village.net/products/practical_webobjects

I do not think Apple would convert iTunes Music Store and Apple

website away from WebObjects. I do not know if there is any

indication of it. I do not think Apple will also relay on WOLips to

develop its WO solutions (iTMS+Apple Store).

Apple will not give away WO... I am not sure what they use to develop internal apps, but it is VERY probable they are not using anymore their own tools.

Can someone tell me if WebObjects is dying? I think people who signed

any NDA agreement can answer that question.

It is VERY alive.

I know Steve Jobs and Oracle's CEO has very good relationships and I

would hate to see that after I learn WebObjects they announce it is

dead.

Do not worry, it will remain alive for a while; I hope Oracle is coding an adaptor for Core Data.

I mean I could spend the time learning another technology.

About the thinksecret post I found something a little disturbing...

Is it real the WebObjects team at Apple is as large as 4 people?

It will be VERY surprising if WO becomes open source...

On the other hand, it is a quite mature server which do not need much more than 4 well trained and devoted persons to maintain... it will not change too much in the future.

I have read in this list almost all of the current Apple tools to

develop WebObjects are deprecated. How come 4 people can make a new

Java-based Web Object Development environment in reasonable time

frame? Is it possible?

They not need to code from scratch new tools... there are enough good open source tools out there; at least this is what the people that use them said.

I love Apple technologies, but it is very tough decision for a new WO

comer to buy books, start training and read tutorials and

documentation about a technology which tools are deprecated. Can

someone give a breath of relief?

Have a breath of relief ;^)

And something I do not understand, if Apple is committed to WO, Why

did not show the new tools first and then deprecate the old ones?

I insist, I do not think there will be new tools...

Suerte!

Dino

Thank you,

David Sanchez