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Re: Thoughts on choosing a source code control system?
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Re: Thoughts on choosing a source code control system?


  • Subject: Re: Thoughts on choosing a source code control system?
  • From: email@hidden
  • Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 17:49:38 -0800

The first couple of years we were in business I mostly worked by myself (we had other programmers but they each had their own project). My source code control method was to make a copy of the source file, with the date appended to the name, before I worked on it. Other than the occasional time when I forgot to do this, the method worked fine and served me well. Having all the previous versions of the file right there came in very handy on more than one occasion.

However, time marched on and I started working on one website with several other programmers; we were all doing maintenance work and so there was no way to prevent people from stepping on each other. That was when we adopted CVS, because it was the only package we all knew how to use. Least pain for most gain.

In the beginning our WO projects will be mine alone, so I could forgo source code control once again, but using it is now part of my work process and I don't really want to go back to having to remember to make copies of files. Having it also makes it easier to transfer only stable code to the live site.

So while I don't dispute your assertion, I think having one is the right choice for us. Thankfully I am the management (or damagement, take your pick :) and I get to make the hopefully informed decisions that others will follow.

janine

On Mar 12, 2006, at 5:08 PM, Ian Joyner wrote:

Now what are your real requirements? I'll throw in another thought for you – don't bother with an SCS at all! For small companies and small projects they really are not necessary and add so much overhead that you almost have to employ an expert to get whichever one you choose working.

Rather than wasting such resources, the money is better spent on someone who really understands software structure will get your class structure right and develop neat programs. Perhaps once that is right, an SCS might help, but too often the reverse is the case and an SCS is used to help manage a mess of a software system.

Of course, this comment might start off the real religious war since the process and methodology people don't like the real truth to be known that they are really just hiding behind their tools ("the project failed, but don't blame us we did everything right according to some misguided book"). Since I don't know the real structure of your company or development team I can't really comment, but I can only say that SCS systems are not necessarily a mandatory part of the development process, and it is worth thinking about, since none of these tools seem to be without their problems (which you must expend energy and resources to solve).

(Oh yeah and be wary of the marketing pitch of these methodologies that says you are obviously a hacker if you are not using this or that tool. They know how to make people feel inferior if they are not using them and of course can go straight to management, who will fall for the pitch. Goes back to the SA/SD days and probably further, but I know even Larry Constantine who wrote the book with Yourdon woke up to that one and moved on.)

OK, I'm going back to reading "Object-Oriented Software Construction" now.

Ian

On 12/03/2006, at 8:24 AM, email@hidden wrote:

Hi all,

I hope this doesn't kick off a flame war; I know this can be one of those semi-religious topics. But I'm hoping we can have a civil discussion about it.

I've used CVS forever, and want to move into something more modern. I heard from several people I really trust that Perforce is da bomb, and in my tests it worked just fine. I had occasion to use their support, and was impressed by how good it was. However, the $800 per seat cost is pretty steep for a small company, and it seemed clear from reading both the Xcode and WO lists that there are a lot of people using Subversion. So I decided to look into that.

After reading through the Manning book on Subversion, I was starting to have doubts. There were a distressing number of places where the author seemed to be giving workarounds to limitations in Subversion, without quite admitting that was what he was doing. I just didn't feel like I was reading about a polished product, one that would be so much better than CVS that it would be worth the effort to switch. However the siren call of "free" was still beckoning me, so I started monitoring the Subversion user's list.

I don't read all the posts there but from the ones I do read it seems like a bit of a pattern is emerging. The users there are extremely protective of their software of choice, and they don't take kindly to people suggesting improvements. There was recently a knockdown dragout over whether the "cvs tag" functionality should be added to Subversion or not. Additionally, it appears that the Subversion developers are not terribly interested in what the user community cares about; a good number of the replies on the tags thread could be boiled down to "Subversion rulez, we don't need no stinkin' tags, and why are you bothering to argue about this since the developers don't take requests". It was not a terribly impressive or inspiring exchange. I've been part of communities like this before and it seems to me that when the users have a bad attitude they usually caught it from the developers, and when the developers have a bad attitude the software ends up suffering.

OTOH, there have been some big splashy conversions to Subversion lately; Sourceforge is now offering it, among others. So it's not like the Subversion project is going to fade into petulant obscurity any time soon, even if they deserved to.

So... any thoughts on why I should (or should not) go with Subversion or Perforce or something else entirely are all welcome. Also, for those using Subversion, are you using it through Xcode or with some other front end? It seems that some of it's limitations can be solved by using the right client software, but there are so many to choose from that it's hard to tell which one is the best.

Thanks!

janine

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