Community Wish List
Community Wish List
- Subject: Community Wish List
- From: "M. Blanc" <email@hidden>
- Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 00:00:08 +0200
On 4 Sep 2006, at 17:28, Marc Oesch wrote:
And I wanted to ask if anybody is actually thinking about a
replacement for WOBuilder or already working on it ?
I'm all for having babies –I personally had three, though my wife
helped a lot– so I can tell you from experience that the very first
thing we are going to need is for the father to release a little
something. Now, if the father is Apple, that something must be «the
standards and formats that WO depends upon» that Daryl mentioned. For
good or for bad, such release can happen at anytime from now
throughout the useful life of the Leopard... so I wouldn't get too
excited just yet.
Until then I would suggest we start compiling a Community Wishlist of
features we'd like the baby to have. Yep, real babies are not
affected by wishlists, but software projects certainly are. The idea
here is that a very powerful graphical modeler we can even affect So,
if I could only have three wishes, they may well could be these:
#1• For the whole project to get a code name soon.
Knowing that nothing is final at this stage, almost any name is
fine with me as long as we settle for something before everyone
starts calling it "The Baby". My vote is for WonderLips.
#2• For the BVM –that's the Baby's View Modeler that would substitute
WOBuilder– I'd like I could start working from a high resolution
graphic or SVG design made by a professional designer.
I would then go along marking areas on the picture and saying 'this
is going to be a WOForm; these, WOButtons', so that the corresponding
web server resources would be automatically created (and properly
linked) at different resolutions for different CSS "media" tags,
browsing device capabilities, user preferences, etc.
[ I see no reason for constraining the design to be 2D-flat or even
static, but I suspect that's too big a jump right now for Eclipse.
For one, Eclipse is just an evolution of the Smalltalk browser, and
when some well known Smalltalk guys felt ready to go to higher
dimensions they didn't rendered the 3D world inside the browser, but
the browser inside the 3D world. ]
#3• In the BVM too I'd like to be able to select a flow, or more than
one, of page portions[†] that would be presented in some meaningful
sequence to the client browser[‡].
[†] something like the flowing you can do in Acrobat,
[‡] something like a wap stack.
I know I'm showing my bias thinking again on small real state
devices, but if it is awkward to develop for three different desktop
browsers, developing for a myriad of small devices is plain crazy.
All this should be automated from the beginning to the extreme... and
the extreme could be some clever D2W presentational rules that would
even take into account if the presentation flow is going to be
managed from the server or from the client (some small devices are
really stupid). On second thought, something similar could prove
useful too for designing whatever substitutes ajax in the future.
#4• Yeah, there is a #4, I like round numbers. My last wish is just
that this thread ends up with 2^64 wishes. Thanks for helping.
PS:
>Then you could start thinking about the name.
The proposed names - Wonderlips, Wonderland, Wonderlust... - were
supposed to be for the whole suite of tools and generate attention
That was my understanding too.
with a sticky name, but I agree the babies have to be born first :)
A sticky name for the WonderLips Graphical Editor could be
Eclipstick....this suggestion is derived from a post from Simon
Mclean a few days ago, but it could sound funnier than I expect since
English is but my second language.
Cheers
--mbj
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