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Re: Getting Started With WO site


  • Subject: Re: Getting Started With WO site
  • From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
  • Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:45:47 -0700

I also am less than thrilled with the WikiBook:

- the process of adding images is painful
- I am not sure if anything else can be added
- searching just the WO content is either not possible or not clear
- the markup is limited
- no one has control over the backups etc.

I have used Confluence quite a bit and find that to be much better for documenting technical material.

Chuck

On Jun 14, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote:

Agreed. How do we (and I guess by we I mean everybody on this list) come to an agreement on the one place that should be the definitive posting grounds? Honestly, I sometimes find navigating the wiki book less than ideal, but it's kind of a minor irritation that I can live with if it solves the problem of a central repository, and there's so much there already that it seems like the most logical place to me. Whatever it is, it should be publicly editable, I think, and it has to be searchable and individual articles must be linkable. Is anybody in disagreement that the wiki book is the best place ongoing to post information? If so, can we start an effort to shuttle information posted elsewhere into the wiki book if it is missing? If not, what are alternative suggestions for the central repository of information?

Thanks,
Mark

On Jun 14, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Dana Kashubeck wrote:

On 6/14/07 11:57 AM, Steven Mark McCraw wrote:
My understanding is that the webobjects wiki book (http:// en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects) is trying to become the central point of documentation for WebObjects that people post to. There's already a ton of info there, but we all know it could use a ton more. At WOWODC, when the experts panel was asked what could be done to help with project wonder, this is what they came back with immediately: We need people writing documentation, and this is the place to put it. Even if it's bad, there are so many people watching it that bad info will get edited out quickly.
I think there's a danger in having TOO many informational sites. If everybody decides to wing it because they get on a high at a developer's conference regarding being able to document stuff to widen the movement, I think we will end up with dozens of blogs, half finished tutorials, etc. There's a reason there isn't much documentation on Wonder and WebObjects: writing good documentation is HARD and time consuming, and not a very glamorous task. So if you have 10 spare hours to write a decent article on a very specific issue, I think everybody would be better served if that went to the wikibook. That way, everybody can always point to one resource as definitive.
I don't mean to be preachy about it or rain on anybody's parade that is putting up yet another site about WebObjects. What I just wrote might sound snappy or mean, but I don't mean it that way. I'm just trying to advocate a central repository for everything so people don't have to go here and there to get various pieces of the overall puzzle. Maybe if you start a site, you could also make sure that all of the contents of that site are also posted in the wiki book in the sensible place? Thoughts?
I was thinking the same thing. Last year there were some really great efforts to put together "the site" for WebObjects information. I think it was this one: http:// wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOCOM/WOCOM

So there's that wiki, the wiki book, www.wocommunity.org, etc., etc. I completely agree that there is a huge need for documentation and resources and it is important for the community to put these things together. But right now everything just seems *so* scattered! Can those who have been generous enough with their time please post their content on one of the already existing sites?

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