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Re: Java Client : who is using it ? What kind of organisation ?
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Re: Java Client : who is using it ? What kind of organisation ?


  • Subject: Re: Java Client : who is using it ? What kind of organisation ?
  • From: David Avendasora <email@hidden>
  • Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 15:15:15 -0500


On Jun 26, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Florijan Stamenkovic wrote:

Hi Philippe,


On 26 juin 07, at 15:30, email@hidden wrote:

Since you and a few more people are interested, I will make it. At
the moment I am too busy to put much time into it, but that should
change in a week or two.
Cool

I have two questions still:

1. How and where to most effectively lobby for JC future with Apple,
or at least for an answer??? There seems to be enough interest for it
for some of us to work together in documenting this and exchanging
info, techniques and code, but we NEED TO KNOW (hint to Apple people)
is there any point in it ?
First, as I told in a precedent msg, it's important that Apple knows that JC is used and by whom. Maybe we can hope to get the source code of JC palettes to rewritte them for IB v3...

I am not practiced with neither D2JC nor making JC apps in Interface Builder and making such apps. I can contribute as far as how to get a connection to a WO server manually from any Java app, and in the combination of EOF + Swing. That is also the subject that I intended to cover in the above mentioned how-to. If we want coverage about D2JC and using Interfact Builder to make client apps, somebody else has to do it.

I've done a fair amount with D2JC and it is very simple and straight forward. Once you have an EOModel, it is very simple to build a _fairly_ functional application out of it. But by no means is a straight D2JC application something that you should even consider rolling out into a production environment other than possibly as a low-use admin tool - say as something, you the developer use for admin tasks instead of reaching into the DB directly.


My D2JC admin app has been very useful for me as I have been building my application as it can point out bad design very quickly without any coding. I can make a change to the EOModel and recompile to see how it impacts an application in the real world, before I go writing a single line of Java or HTML.

I have not done anything with IB or Freezing XML or any of the other half-way-between D2JC and Static Swing either.


With the different mails, I have now a small list of people involved by JC. I don't know yet how we can organise ourself (maybe a dedicated mailing list ?)

David Avendasora and I were discussing this privately for the last two days or so, and decided to informally gather interested people, and slowly start to build up. So, we have three lists now :) Anyway, both David and I are occupied and can not really get into this for the following week or two. Hopefully then I will have some time. In the meanwhile, anyone interested, feel free to send us private emails, and we will be sure to keep everyone involved.

Yes, please let us know if you are interested. I would like to extend the invitation to those who are using other non-HTML based clients as a front-end to a WO Server as well as I think we are all looking for the same types of solutions.



2. To all WO users, not only JC, shall we make this effort a part of
some big WO site? I must admit I am not sure what sort of consensus
was reached on centralizing resources. Or do we start another
standalone thing? If not, with whom should we coordinate this?
We discussed about that during last WWDC. One developper from Google told us that it's not easy for a newbie to begin with WO because there is not a single place where you can find everithing to begin. From my perspective (and not only mine), the good place is to put more information in the wiki book (http:// en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:WebObjects).

Steven McCraw mentioned this. Well, we just should keep our stuff in sync, or at least link into it.


That's the reason why David LeBer has initiated a "WO get started" web site with links to different websites like the wiki book.

Some of us could be surprised by this discussion about JC. I agree with Chuck that it's not a good idea to begin a new project with JC but the projects, I know, are very big so the lack of support in a "maintenance mode" is a big problem. And maybe we could create a dynamic to invert the processus (requires a lots of works ;-)) if we are able to show how we can use effectively JC.

Definitely. I am more then willing to invest time into creating some exposure. I suppose one of our problems is the lack of ability to demonstrate, as there aren't many JC projects out there, and those that are there are too commercial for this purpose. One way to gain exposure would be to build different JC apps for an already deployed WO app, an app that is public. Or even build a WO site as a demonstration site, and then build JC projects on top of them. So, view our tutorials, demos, reach libraries etc through a web WO interface, a desktop app, a D2JC app etc. Could be cool. I could contribute a JC Swing app, it probably would not even take long to make it since there is not so much data to handle.

I am also willing to contribute what I can to developing resources for a "non-HTML client" section of the existing WO Wikis.


Dave


Well, talk about big plans and exposure :) I suppose I am getting ahead of ourselves...


Flor

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 >Java Client : who is using it ? What kind of organisation ? (From: Philippe Rabier <email@hidden>)
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