Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?
Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?
- Subject: Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?
- From: Steven Mark McCraw <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 16:37:14 -0400
I am not sure what happening here is fair anyway. You guys at wonder
are doing the job of an open source community, giving Apple the tools
it works with, and what is Apple doing in counterpart? Nothing!
Or very little. WO does not evolve, or so slowly. Apple does not even
maintain the tools. Apple does not open source WO, creating a lot of
problems for you and the WO community (you have hard time writing
patches, and WO developpers have difficulties selling their products
when there are open sources alternatives).
In my opinion, this is not a fair deal.
In a ideal world, Apple would either open source WO or actively
develop it, and those who develop wonder and WOLips ought to be
rewarded in some way, allowing them perhaps to devote more time to
it.
I don't understand that you seem to be happy with the current
situation. But I am surely not aware of everything, and I don't know
what WO 5.4 brings us.
I don't know that I am happy with the situation, but I accept it for
what it is. I am certainly happier now than I was before WWDC.
Apple will never open source WO, so I never think about that. I just
try to make WO better for me and hopefully better for others as well
as a result of making it better for me. My other option is to go do
VB.Net or Ruby on Rails. I'd rather not. So I do this.
ditto. I think has done a terrible job managing WebObjects for at
least the last 5 years. Their support for the product sucks, and
their business strategy for it makes no apparent sense. Their
refusal to ever consider open sourcing it (in spite of how Steve Jobs
rants about how he looooooooooves open source) makes me feel even
more animosity about the platform. The wonder guys have pulled WO
development out of the gutter for me for now, and to be honest, I
spent about a year evaluating all kinds of J2EE alternatives after
hours, and all of them seemed terrible to me (maybe just because I've
always done WO, so I'm used to that way of thinking, but still). WO
seems like the lesser of dozens of evils at this point. Plus,
everyone who went to WWDC seems about to lose it in their gushing
excitement for 5.4, so maybe Apple picked the ball back up. Fingers
crossed.
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