Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?
Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?
- Subject: Re: [Wonder-disc] log4j version update?
- From: Steven Mark McCraw <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:25:44 -0400
Which bits of it would you like them to open up ? and why ?
I would like every bit of it opened up, and the reason is that Apple
moves like a glacier in response to fixing glaring issues that
WebObjects has had in the past. If you adopted Webobjects prior to
5.2, you know what I'm talking about. The wonder community is far
more responsive to issues, and if it had direct access to the source,
it would be much easier to patch problems. Why *wouldn't* you want
the source?
Just about everything i want to tinker with is already open source,
because the Wonder project either covers it or has replacements for
the closed source bits i have any interest in.
Yes, and if WO had been open sourced, you wouldn't need a separate
framework. You wouldn't need replacements, because the fixes would
already be in WebObjects.
What about EOF ? Do i care it's closed source. Not at all:
- it works perfectly (ok, there's a couple of bugs, but nothing to
cry about)
- it has a wonderful, elegant design, which despite many attempts
has still not been matched by any other java framework (IMHO)
- it's very stable
- it's very scalable
- it is supported and maintained by Apple
- it's free
EOF does not work perfectly. Outside of all the things wonder fixes
for you, I would call it kind of a mess, especially if you follow the
documentation Apple provides (although they have done better as of
late).
I agree it's better than most of it's competitors, but it certainly
has its share of frustrations. That is just my opinion. I am glad
EOF has been kinder to you.
"supported and maintained by Apple" is another matter of opinion. In
my opinion, it is not supported and maintained well. Many of the
important fixes/workarounds/documentation attempts have come from
outside of Apple.
I see EOF as an extension of my database. We use MySQL - a great
open source database. Have I ever tinkered with the source code of
MySQL ? Of course not - i haven't even downloaded it, let alone
looked at it. It works well and that enables me to build great
apps. And that's all i care about.
I also use MySQL, and I agree with you. It is great. I have never
had the problems with MySQL that I have had with EOF. With great
source code, you never need to tinker, and I never have. But, could
it be that MySQL is great because the source code is available, and
people who understand it and are more inclined to tinker have been
able to fix problems they have had in the past? It's hard to know
for sure, but there have been many, many frustrating instances for me
in the past where having the code to EOF would have helped me
tremendously, if not to fix a problem in EOF, at least to figure out
what was going on.
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