Re: Leaving WebObjects
Re: Leaving WebObjects
- Subject: Re: Leaving WebObjects
- From: Jeff Smith <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:02:40 -0400
I think there are a few technology director types that would have an
issue with #1 and #2, although I feel like they're easy to get
through. Proprietary usually means expensive to get into and either
unsupported or supported with significant costs (think back to the
multi-processor deployment license cost and bronze-silver-gold Apple
Enterprise Support packages).
I think for it being relatively free now (included w/developer tools,
free Eclipse, free WOLips, etc.) and the public support out there
(like this list) you're still in good shape.
For #2, you can certainly develop on Windows since it's just Eclipse/
Java right now. I just don't know too many developers that would
actually want to use Windows to write code these days aside from .NET
stuff. You could even deploy on Windows using something like Tomcat I
believe--but again why not just use Linux and save even more? I know
a few devs out there that prefer (even like) Windows so I say go for
it if it's your thing.
But here's the trick: WO sells itself. It's usually fewer devs,
shorter time to deployment, fewer bugs and a much better designed
application. Use your time for your product features and not on just
getting it work. If you look at it from a time and cost standpoint it
still makes a lot of sense.
On Apr 8, 2008, at 5:02 PM, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt wrote:
I can ask about WWDC08.
The answer will probably be no since the decision was made quite a
long time ago (hard to de-couple it right now tho, so it will
definitely be a while).
Still the 3 issues I mentioned aren't going away, are they? You
probably addressed the 3rd, but 1 and 2 are unfortunately stuck in
the minds of the technology directors.
= Robert =
On Apr 8, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Christian Trotobas wrote:
Hello Robert,
Any chance you or any from your company could attend the WOWODC
this year ?
http://www.wocommunity.org/wowodc08/
WO is more than alive, and getting new adopters. Today, I gave a
short (45 mn) introduction to 9 young students from the engineer
school in Sophia Antipolis (France); to my own surprise, they were
more than receptive, impressed.
Cheers,
Christian Trotobas
email@hidden
http://intellicore.net
Le 8 avr. 08 à 20:50, Robert B. Hanviriyapunt a écrit :
For some time now, my company has been set on leaving WebObjects.
We have been running WebObjects 5.2 on Windows servers. We
haven't moved 100% yet, but my next project will be using
JavaServer Faces. And another fairly new project will be using
OpenLaszlo with our existing J2E back-end.
Company's reasons for leaving:
1. WebObjects is proprietary
2. New versions of WebObjects is not supported on Windows
3. Perceived lack of knowledgeable WebObjects programmers (I'm in
the Chicago suburbs -- Northbrook, IL, to be precise)
We do NOT use:
1. Xcode/WebObjects tools [Xcode or WOBuilder or EOModeler]
(except for me on a MacBook Pro -- only because I requested it)
2. EOF
3. WONDER
4. Servlet container (which I do not prefer anyway)
I personally enjoy WebObjects development and wish that WebObjects
would be more palatable to companies such as mine.
Please excuse the ranting, but I want someone at Apple to know
that as great as WebObjects technology is [I personally think it
is the BEST I've seen anywhere], it is losing ground because if
it's lack in thet top 3 items mentioned. I wish so bad that Apple
would do something about it.
I'm guessing people's response will be: Don't hold your breath.
Pity. :(
= Robert =
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