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Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work.
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Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work.


  • Subject: Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work.
  • From: Chuck Hill <email@hidden>
  • Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:33 -0800

Hi David,


On Jan 23, 2008, at 12:31 PM, David Elliott wrote:
On Jan 23, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:

You'll get really used to it. I often hate Eclipse but nevertheless it saves me countless hours of work. So, it's a love and hate relationship.
For what it's worth, I feel the same. For every huge annoyance, there are like 10 really cool things.
Well for what it's worth, I think Eclipse is the worst IDE ever.
I blame myself for initiating this.  </dead-horse-beating>

Yes, I realize it is beating a dead horse, but maybe something useful can come out of it. Before settling on the WO5.4 on Tiger hack I did some work getting the Tiger tools to work on Leopard in conjunction with Xcode 2.5 for Leopard. When I get a moment I'm going to try to figure out the rest of the problems but for now I'm just trying to get some work done. The short rundown is that you'll need to grab the Libstreams source, provide an implementation for [NSObject forward::] and use dyld environment variables to preload your fixing dylib.

Of course this isn't a long-term solution. The long-term solution is for me to sit my ass down for some marathon coding sessions and write decent replacement tools since no one else is willing to do it.

I'd hazard a guess that most of feel that we already have replacement tools that are not only decent, but far superior to what we had. EOModeler is just flat out buggy. WOBuilder did have a nice WYSIWYG interface with drag and drop that worked just fine if you did all your layout with HTML tables and used little or no CSS or JavaScript. For anything more modern than that, it is pretty well useless. Xcode had a very simple UI, but then again it did not do much other than run a make file. And the whole targets metaphor was far from clear.



I find the current tools so detrimental to my development experience that it's becoming increasingly cost effective for me to write them even if I never release them.

You are in a minority of six to 10 people here, at least that I have heard from. I'd be asking myself what it was that I was not seeing. Sure there are some nice things (like a WYSIWYG interface with drag and drop for Component Editor) but these are very hard to do right unless you are using a very restrictive subset of what WO and HTML can do. You might find your energies more profitably directed into improving what is there now.



That's an important point because I don't think I'd ever be able to sell these tools so I'll have to justify the cost of writing them based on the benefit of not wanting to hurl a hammer through my monitor every time I work on a WO app. The cinema displays aren't cheap so that would be very costly.

Or perhaps some Anger Management counseling? :-P

Chuck

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References: 
 >WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: Guido Neitzer <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: David den Boer <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: Guido Neitzer <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: Gaastra Dennis - WO Lists <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: Guido Neitzer <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: Mike Schrag <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: David Elliott <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: Mike Schrag <email@hidden>)
 >Re: WOLips: Project Triangles do not work. (From: David Elliott <email@hidden>)

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