RE : Re: The "Mobile me" web apps
RE : Re: The "Mobile me" web apps
- Subject: RE : Re: The "Mobile me" web apps
- From: Jean-François Veillette <email@hidden>
- Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 21:07:53 -0400 (EDT)
I was on the Pixar presentation by Dr. M.B.Johnson and
after it I asked him about the web technologies behind
their web2 apps.
It's php/python for server-side web app, perforce for
their file-version storage and a bd (oracle(?)).
The client side apps mainly use Ext and some more
custom javascript.
Can you tell us more about Ext and how easy (or not)
it is to integrate with WO ? how does it compare to
prototype ? what are the main design principle that
make it a good library ?
- jfv
--- Ricardo Parada <email@hidden> a écrit :
>
> On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Tom M. Blenko wrote:
>
> > If the Ajax invokes a WebObjects direct action,
> fine, but my guess
> > is that's just because that was something already
> there, or the
> > quickest way to the data, not because anyone is
> pushing or promoting
> > WebObjects.
>
>
> Hmm... I don't think that's because that is
> something that is already
> there. :-) Choosing the architecture for the back
> end is not
> something to be taken lightly.
>
> My intuition tells me.... If Apple is using
> WebObjects for the "mobile
> me" applications back end, then it means that they
> (like many of us in
> this list) understand the power of the WebObjects
> component
> architecture. Not that I need their endorsing
> much, but it's good to
> know that Apple and I agree. I love WebObjects.
> :-)
>
> Ajax in combination with component actions are
> really attractive to
> me, and so is the whole component and
> object-oriented architecture in
> WebObjects. It was developed so many years ago at
> NeXT and I can see
> there was some really great design behind it.
>
> Now, just to be clear, I don't know if Apple is
> using WebObjects for
> the "mobile me" apps. The "mobile me" apps have yet
> to be released to
> the public, but I do know that WebObjects is used
> for the .mac webmail
> app which is very similar to the mobile me version
> demoed at the
> keynote. All it takes to find out is to look at the
> URLs for the
> application. ;-)
>
> I'm not really interested much on the client side.
> I know they are
> using JavaScript and I'm familiar with a lot of
> options there
> (prototype, jquery, Ext, sproutcore). And as Simon
> pointed out it
> looks like Apple may be using
> http://www.sproutcore.com.
>
> But the part I was interested in is how they
> integrate their front end
> with component actions in WebObjects. Basically, if
> they are building
> that into WebObjects then I'm interested. That may
> be just what I
> need to make me decide to attend WWDC09 next year.
> ;-)
>
> I also think that the Ajax framework shown by Mike
> Schrag is awesome.
> And that can be used today and there's no need to
> wait.
> It is actually very similar to an Ajax framework I
> developed myself.
> The core components such as the ajax update
> container, ajax update
> link, etc. are very similar to mine. I developed
> mine thanks to
> Chuck's book (Chapter 6).
>
> Mine does partial form submits just like the one
> demoed by Mike.
> Mine however, uses the ext.js javascript library.
> The framework is
> really small and has no dependencies. So I kinda
> like mine.
>
> But I don't like reinventing the wheel. So I could
> adopt the
> ERExtensions framework which I believe is all that's
> needed for
> integrating Ajax into WebObjects. Or I could
> continue developing my
> framework. Or I could wait to see what Apple is
> doing.
>
> When I developed my Ajax framework I found out that
> it would have been
> easier if WebObjects had provided some hooks. But
> it was doable. It
> was just a bit more work. And it works today. And
> so does the Ajax
> framework demoed at WOWODC by Mike. So that's just
> proof that it can
> be done in the existing WebObjects library (5.3.3
> and 5.4.x).
>
> Anyways, if apple is doing something I pay
> attention. But I guess
> I'll have to go to WWDC next year or wait for a
> future WO version that
> has that in it and fully documented. :-) Am I
> dreaming too
> much? :-) :-)
>
> - Ricardo
>
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