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Re: The "Mobile me" web apps
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Re: The "Mobile me" web apps


  • Subject: Re: The "Mobile me" web apps
  • From: Florijan Stamenkovic <email@hidden>
  • Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:43:46 -0400


On Jun 13, 2008, at 10:24, Ricardo Legorreta wrote:

I use them a lot to do all binding and here are some comment:

- They´re good and elegant solution.
- We use them since NeXTStep, so we are custom to use to them. Also it is mature and proven technology.
- Subclass EOAssociation and include other swing components (e.g., JXDatePicker from SwingLabs) is easy.
- They are bi-directional.
- To create and have different aspects you can do many things, not just 'action' and 'enable' aspects.


I don´t know in detail Florijan framework, but so far, I believe Florijan gets the same functionality but with a complete different approach.

I think that is a fair assessment. Almost the same. More on that below.

Let´s wait what Florijan has to say.

I do not like the architecture used in making EOAssociations, though in truth I never took much time to really understand it. But I believe it is simply bad to make subclasses of Swing components to bind Swing, or to have association classes that have up to four or five super-classes, some of which are in eocontrol; in short, it looks like a mess to me. Next, many cool features that I have built in from the start into JBND are not presently doable with associations (I believe)... Some of them would require a complete overhaul actually to be doable. Those being for example:


- proper change notification -> proper synchronization between state and view
- deferred adding and editing
- dynamic sorting and filtering
- UI bound qualifiers
- master-detail for trees (I am not sure this is not in)
- easy support of binding other GUI systems
- complete decoupling from nib files and other evil attempts to bring Cocoa to Java
- well layered, extremely flexible architecture
- a reasonably clear API
...


You see, the reason why I did all this was not to get the same old JCs (which kinda did the job, but didn't really go all the way), but to do something different with the cool EOF stuff.

F

Ricardo.


Message: 10 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:48:34 -0700 From: "John Huss" <email@hidden> Subject: Re: The "Mobile me" web apps To: "WebObjects Development" <email@hidden> Message-ID: <email@hidden> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Florijan (who does the jbnd framework for JavaClient) doesn't seem to like
EOAssociation. What are the pros and cons of using them?


John

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Ricardo Legorreta <email@hidden>
wrote:


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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:06:50 +0200
From: Stephane Guyot <email@hidden>
Subject: Re: The "Mobile me" web apps
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Use JC and maybe JC components (from DTC ):

We have been working with JavaClient for several months with the following
approach:


- Develop an EOF, displaygroup and EOAssociation bindings with
JFormDesigner and of course swing.
- Include many SwingX component from SwingLabs project, and other cool
swing components with animation.


We have developed in Flex 2.0 and of course in Cocoa, WO 4.5, NeXTStep...
Flex is good but also I strongly recommend you to
try JavaClient with the EOAssociation bindings and use all the nice
JavaSwing technology that is out here.


Ricardo.

--------------------------



Ricardo,

interesting :-)

Can someone speak about "the wonderful Ajax frameworks shown at
WOWODC " or it is under NDA ?
Does Apple have something in the pipe for the RIA, RDA applications ?
Cocoa Integrated Runtime ? Cocoa-leigth js implementation ? OpenStep
like resurrection ?
Adobe is using WebKit for AIR : http://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/flex/

Any informations are wellcome, if not under NDA.

Stephane


Le 11 juin 08 à 20:56, Ricardo Parada a écrit :



Ok, most of us have probably seen the mobile me web apps.  They are

web 2.0 apps that use javascript and ajax.  There's a lot of good

stuff in those apps.  So much good stuff there.  I wished Apple

made some of that stuff available to us (developers) in some

form.  :-)


I'm guessing that the back end for those apps is using WebObjects.

I can see that in the current webmail app for .mac and I assume

that's also going to be the case for the mobile me web apps.   And

we should probably point people to all these great applications

when they have doubts about WebObjects.


Anyways, I'm just so curious if Apple is using the wonderful Ajax

frameworks shown at WOWODC or if they are using their own stuff.



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