Re: Running tests from ant on a continuous integration server
Re: Running tests from ant on a continuous integration server
- Subject: Re: Running tests from ant on a continuous integration server
- From: Guido Neitzer <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:20:08 -0600
On 24.10.2008, at 04:37, Brook, James wrote:
I guess I am going way OT by taking this discussion further, but I
feel
the need to respond anyway. We are using Scrum for software
development.
This means that developers don't get the points for a story until it
is
'DONE'. We have a generic definition of done, which includes the
provision of unit tests, acceptance tests, database scripts and UI
approval. The end result is that the developers are becoming
intimately
familiar with the real meaning of 'DONE' and have realized the
benefits
of writing good tests. In a lot of cases the product owner provides
Selenese (and Java scripts) recorded with the IDE. These are then
integrated/merged with the developers tests. So far we are finding
that
Tests written by developers even provide superior coverage.
The problem with that approach is that you normally can't do that with
WO teams, as the teams are normally so small for a given project that
this approach just doesn't work ... at least on all projects were I
was working on, the developers were part of the technical design team,
part of the testing team, and did the implementation.
This approach wouldn't work in my environment or any environment I
have seen WO in so far.
And my experience also is that developers that don't see the "big
picture" are less productive and come back with inferior solutions.
cug
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