Re: maven.
Re: maven.
- Subject: Re: maven.
- From: Andrus Adamchik <email@hidden>
- Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:31:09 +0300
Ant is actually nice, but it doesn't scale.
Maven scales, but otherwise sucks.
Build systems are complex, so I guess there's no simple solution. I am
mildly curious to check out Ruby-based build systems for Java (http://buildr.apache.org/
), but I am not holding my breath.
Andrus
On Apr 3, 2009, at 4:01 PM, Mike Schrag wrote:
man, maven people .. i'm trying .. I really am .. I don't like being
the guy who just hates something based on impressions and not
experiences, because I think that's how lots of people judge WO ...
but I'm reading "http://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/introduction-to-the-lifecycle.html
" -- Which is like "The Introduction to the Overview" and I mostly
already want to kill myself. I really don't know what it is about
maven, but it's like someone tried to come up with the most complex
solution to these problems they could. Every sentence just
introduces some new layer -- it's like a build system composed of
Matryoshka. I have the distinct impression that one could solve 75%
of this problem with 10% of the complexity. I think Maven's trying
to solve 100% of the problem and they get where they are. All I
really want is my ant build file to build or download dependencies
first. I would say I basically want Ivy, except that kind of pisses
me off, too. Ivy is like a couple of Maven guys split off to write
a different solution to 98% of the problem instead of 100%.
I think this is the problem with Java vs Ruby people. The Rails
community is happy to put out a framework that is simple and
narrowly focused. It seems to me that the Java community isn't
happy unless every level of the framework is a dependency-injected
pluggable framework for building frameworks. Where's my simple
dependency manager? Where's my ant task that just lets me say:
<dependencies>
<dependency name="log4j" version="1.2.14" source="someMavenRepo"
dest="Libraries"/>
<dependency name="MyCustomFramework" version="latest"
source="myRepo" dest="${wo.local.frameworks}"/>
</dependencies>
Ant does everything else I care about. I hate ant, don't get me
wrong, but it's pretty straightforward. I understand Maven is
trying to do a lot more, and that's super great and all, but I don't
WANT that. I'm not sure MOST people want that. I'm sure SOME
people want that, and they are probably loving it.
I can even sort of maybe get behind their project layout .. After
you stare at it for a while, it sort of makes sense why it's like
that.
Anyway. I'm TRYING not to hate, but I am just not feeling it.
ms
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