Re: All In One Installer broken
Re: All In One Installer broken
- Subject: Re: All In One Installer broken
- From: Kieran Kelleher <email@hidden>
- Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:05:07 -0500
If Jeremy installer is broken, then we need to eliminate it. Feels
kind of unfair to expect Jeremy to maintain it if WO is not his gig
anymore.
On Dec 6, 2009, at 1:52 PM, Pascal Robert wrote:
BTW, I'm reworking the Getting Started page and the new content
mention both Jemery and Don installers as alternative. Full text :
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First, you need to install the WebObjects core frameworls and an IDE
(Eclipse and the WOLips plugins).
To install the frameworks, we strongly suggest that you follow this
tutorial(1)
After you have installed the frameworks, you need to install Eclipse
and WOLips. The recommanded Eclipse version is 3.4.2(2) (Classic or
For Java EE Developers editions). For WOLips, we suggest that you
use the nightly version, available at http://webobjects.mdimension.com/wolips/nightly
. Follow this tutorial(3) to see how to properly install the WOLips
plugin inside Eclipse.
On Mac OS X, you can also install Eclipse and WOLips with a turn-key
installer(4). This kit will install Eclipse, WOLips (stable build),
WOTaskd/Monitor launchd scripts and Project Wonder frameworks.
Please note that you still need to install the WebObjects frameworks
before using the turn-key installer.
On Windows, you can use an Java application(5) that will install
everything, including the WebObjects frameworks.
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(1) : http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Using+WOLips+With+Multiple+Versions+of+WebObjects
(2) : http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/packages/release/ganymede/sr2
(3) : http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Install+WOLips+with+Eclipse+Update+Manager
(4) : http://sisuworks.com/files/Eclipse+WOLips.zip
(5) : http://web.me.com/pccdonl/
Kieran et al:
Good stuff and we probably do need lower the barriers to begin
development. This conversation could probably stand to be as long
as the MySQL thread. :-)
I think some of the sources regarding how to get started have
conflicting information. Did you start out at wocommunity.org and
follow the directions there? It looks to me like the getting
started links there would still work (for 3.4 dev anyway). I wonder
a couple things -
1. is it in any way possible that Apple could point to a site like
wocommunity.org - simply for the tools. One link. :-) It's just one
link. It seems to me that any newbie is gonna land at Apple before
anything else.
2. could the community somehow agree on a single site to host
Eclipse/WOLips installers and instructions for all platforms? My
feeling is the installers and guides are scattered across different
sites and threads from listserves. If there was one page that had
downloads - OS X, CentOS, FreeBSD, Windows, etc. Since the tools
are hosted at ObjectStyle, maybe that's where it should be. If I
google 'webobjects development' the 3rd link is:
http://wiki.objectstyle.org/confluence/display/WOL/Scratch+Setup+of+WebObjects+Development+on+a+Mac
That's not a bad place to land - but it is completely different
from where wocommunity.org points. And the info is kinda stale. My
only thought about adding another getting started page is that
maybe we should make a concerted effort also to remove anything old
first. Maybe with a decently ranked page already returned from a
google search, maybe we should simply re-work that page?
Tim Worman
UCLA GSE&IS
On Dec 6, 2009, at 9:36 AM, Kieran Kelleher wrote:
I was setting up a new SL dev environment, and just to see what
the initial installation and setup procedure would be like for a
complete newbie on SL, I looked on the wiki for instructions for
the simplest possible path to new installation on a virgin Snow
Leopard.
It seems that really, a newbie would probably be confused and
would probably struggle. :-(
After installing WebObjects 5.4.3 using Apple's dmg installer and
then installing the "All In One" Eclipse/WOLips installer from
Jeremy's .mac page (since the sisu download was slow as molasses
with an est time of 1 day+!), I then hit a roadblock, getting an
error when launching Eclipse after running Jeremy's installer.
" An Error has occurred"
" See the log file ~/.eclipse/...../blahblah.log"
That error log file is full of "missing required bundle" messages.
Anyway, just FYI, I don't have time for troubleshooting this
now .... I am doing my usual 3.4.2 download and install/setup the
manual way.
Since Jeremy is not working in WO anymore and this is AIO (All In
One) installer is clearly broken for install on a virgin OS X Snow
Leopard box, we might want to just discontinue the all-in-one
installer and just go write a concise "WebObjects Developer Quick
Start Guide" for newbies .......so I started a wiki page on this
and will work on completing it as I get time. Any thoughts on
that? Should I wipe all references on the wiki to the AIO?
If we are ever going to get new devs to come to WebObjects, we
need to have a working quick start. Any dev worth his salt should
be comfortable on the command line, so maybe a bash install script
that downloads and installs various bits and configures everything
might be the better route. Any opinions on that?
BTW, I went to use the WOInstaller.jar initially and thinking that
a newbie would want standard install paths, I set the
WOInstaller.jar target as "/", but got an error saying System
directory already exists. Should the WOInstaller.jar's CPIO class
be changed to just overwrite existing files? Does that "overlay"
directory paths (aka merge eith existing files if named
differently, or does it realyl "replace" existing directories
(ie., wiping them out)?
Anyway, this is just some meandering thoughts / discussion before
I leave off the "How would a newbie WO dev fare on getting
started" for now and go do some work.
Regards, Kieran
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