Clearly broken, eh?
I suppose after seeing more than a dozen messages no one thought of
actually talking to me?
Sigh...so many assumptions, so little meaningful conversation....
I'm not sure what the issue is, since we test it routinely, and this
is the first time we've heard in MONTHS that there was a problem.
And now there's talk of abandoning it entirely - within an hour.
Nice.
So, seems everyone wants to talk AROUND me and not TO me, let me
make a few things clear:
1) I regularly test and maintain the installer.
2) Whenever we hear there is an issue we FIX it. Usually pretty damn
fast. Ask around.
3) I do not build WO Apps _ROUTINTELY_ anymore - this does not mean
I care less about the tools or the installer, or the great people in
the community. I still develop too, I just don't advertise it.
Usually the opposite since there are tons of talented people here.
That being said, if someone wants to take the installer over, fine
by me. I've had fun working with some really cool people, and being
able to create something a lot of people thanked me for.
I've been fortunate to work with this great community, and am
sincerely thankful for that. But...if people will not communicate
with me, then there is nothing I can do (to help this community). I
wish everyone the absolute best of luck.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
-jeremy
P.S. - There have a been more than a few people along the way who
said they owed me a beer. If I see you at WWDC, I'll be collecting
those!
#####
I was setting up a new SL dev environment, and just to see what the
initial installation and setup procedure would be like for a complete
newbie on SL, I looked on the wiki for instructions for the simplest
possible path to new installation on a virgin Snow Leopard.
It seems that really, a newbie would probably be confused and would
probably struggle. :-(
After installing WebObjects 5.4.3 using Apple's dmg installer and then
installing the "All In One" Eclipse/WOLips installer from
Jeremy's .mac page (since the sisu download was slow as molasses with
an est time of 1 day+!), I then hit a roadblock, getting an error when
launching Eclipse after running Jeremy's installer.
" An Error has occurred"
" See the log file ~/.eclipse/...../blahblah.log"
That error log file is full of "missing required bundle" messages.
Anyway, just FYI, I don't have time for troubleshooting this now ....
I am doing my usual 3.4.2 download and install/setup the manual way.
Since Jeremy is not working in WO anymore and this is AIO (All In One)
installer is clearly broken for install on a virgin OS X Snow Leopard
box, we might want to just discontinue the all-in-one installer and
just go write a concise "WebObjects Developer Quick Start Guide" for
newbies .......so I started a wiki page on this and will work on
completing it as I get time. Any thoughts on that? Should I wipe all
references on the wiki to the AIO?
If we are ever going to get new devs to come to WebObjects, we need to
have a working quick start. Any dev worth his salt should be
comfortable on the command line, so maybe a bash install script that
downloads and installs various bits and configures everything might be
the better route. Any opinions on that?
BTW, I went to use the WOInstaller.jar initially and thinking that a
newbie would want standard install paths, I set the WOInstaller.jar
target as "/", but got an error saying System directory already
exists. Should the WOInstaller.jar's CPIO class be changed to just
overwrite existing files? Does that "overlay" directory paths (aka
merge eith existing files if named differently, or does it realyl
"replace" existing directories (ie., wiping them out)?
Anyway, this is just some meandering thoughts / discussion before I
leave off the "How would a newbie WO dev fare on getting started" for
now and go do some work.
Regards, Kieran
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